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chainsmokinmonkey
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bemisnorris
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I can't believe (yes, I can) how stupid and easily brainwashed the American public is. I can't believe that just because Saddam Hussein was captured, all of a sudden, the war is a good thing. Have people forgotten that we went to war with Iraq to get rid of their "weapons of mass destruction", not just to get rid of Saddam?
And if we're going to go by the logic that going to war with Iraq was the right thing to do because of the capture of Saddam, then was going to war with Afghanistan the wrong thing to do because we haven't been able to capture Osama bin Laden or Mullah Omar, after two years of combat there?
I firmly believe that war should always be the final option, and agreed with the Bush administration's decision to go to war in Afghanistan. There was an actual reason to go to war there, and the U.S. did go through diplomatic procedures before attacking. Not so when it comes to Iraq. |
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Americano
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I couldn't care less about what the fuck Bush does. Whether he is quick to start a war is pointless because the whole dam country was excited to we gone to war after 9/11. I guess unless America want pay back or sees present danger they are unwilling to fight. Osama will get caught in due time, but the focus was on Saddam for now.
I wouldn't vote for Bush again besides going to war he hasn't done much. I wouldn't vote for anyone else unless I see a something I like or else I'll waste my vote on Al Sharpton. |
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revramrod
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| Ame-ricano wrote: | | I couldn't care less about what the fuck Bush does. |
I'll let Ralph Nader handle this one: "If you ever hear a fellow student say, 'I'm not turned on politics,' give that student a history book, because if you don't turn on politics, down to the air you breathe, the water you drink, the racial profiling you detest, the health insurance many people don't have, and on and on. If you don't turn on politics, politics will turn on you in very disagreeable ways."
| Ame-ricano wrote: | | Whether he is quick to start a war is pointless because the whole dam country was excited to we gone to war after 9/11. |
Not pointless at all. Actually, it's the whole point. Besides, I wasn't excited about the US going into Iraq, so that invalidates that argument.
Afghanistan? Sure, I saw a reason to go there when diplomacy failed. But Iraq? That was pure dick waving.
Most Americans were foaming at the mouth for war with Iraq because their emotions were manipulated by politicians and war mongers who knew that they could count on the American public's ignorance of global affairs. China captured one of our spy planes and we did nothing to China. Fifteen of the nineteen 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia and we did nothing to Saudi Arabia. Kim Jong Il personally threatened to attack us with nuclear weapons and we did nothing to North Korea. Must suck to be Iraq.
The White House reassured the American public that they would take the fight straight to the terrorist's backyards. Fine, but, Timothy McVeigh was from Pendleton, NY. How many AC-130s have you seen blowing the shit out of that town since the Oklahoma City bombing? Theodore Kaczynski? Chicago, IL. Any Tomahawks headed that way? No? Just checking.
| Ame-ricano wrote: | | I guess unless America want pay back or sees present danger they are unwilling to fight. |
No argument there.
| Ame-ricano wrote: | | Osama will get caught in due time, but the focus was on Saddam for now. |
Actually, the focus was on Osama bin Laden, and yes, the laws of probability dictate that he too will one day be located, one way or another. But not until they've milked him for all he's worth, and that's all that really matters to the men behind the curtain, anyway.
| Ame-ricano wrote: | | I wouldn't vote for Bush again besides going to war he hasn't done much. |
Actually, his mastery of the English language has almost made it all worth it: http://www.dubyaspeak.com
| Ame-ricano wrote: | | I wouldn't vote for anyone else unless I see a something I like |
General Wesley K. Clark (ret)
http://www.clark04.com
| Ame-ricano wrote: | | or else I'll waste my vote |
George W. Bush
http://www.georgewbush.com |
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Americano
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| Posted: 15 Dec 2003 11:20 PM Post subject: |
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| revramrod wrote: | | Ame-ricano wrote: | | I couldn't care less about what the fuck Bush does. |
I'll let Ralph Nader handle this one: "If you ever hear a fellow student say, 'I'm not turned on politics,' give that student a history book, because if you don't turn on politics, down to the air you breathe, the water you drink, the racial profiling you detest, the health insurance many people don't have, and on and on. If you don't turn on politics, politics will turn on you in very disagreeable ways."
| Ame-ricano wrote: | | Whether he is quick to start a war is pointless because the whole dam country was excited to we gone to war after 9/11. |
Not pointless at all. Actually, it's the whole point. Besides, I wasn't excited about the US going into Iraq, so that invalidates that argument.
Afghanistan? Sure, I saw a reason to go there when diplomacy failed. But Iraq? That was pure dick waving.
Most Americans were foaming at the mouth for war with Iraq because their emotions were manipulated by politicians and war mongers who knew that they could count on the American public's ignorance of global affairs. China captured one of our spy planes and we did nothing to China. Fifteen of the nineteen 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia and we did nothing to Saudi Arabia. Kim Jong Il personally threatened to attack us with nuclear weapons and we did nothing to North Korea. Must suck to be Iraq.
The White House reassured the American public that they would take the fight straight to the terrorist's backyards. Fine, but, Timothy McVeigh was from Pendleton, NY. How many AC-130s have you seen blowing the shit out of that town since the Oklahoma City bombing? Theodore Kaczynski? Chicago, IL. Any Tomahawks headed that way? No? Just checking.
| Ame-ricano wrote: | | I guess unless America want pay back or sees present danger they are unwilling to fight. |
No argument there.
| Ame-ricano wrote: | | Osama will get caught in due time, but the focus was on Saddam for now. |
Actually, the focus was on Osama bin Laden, and yes, the laws of probability dictate that he too will one day be located, one way or another. But not until they've milked him for all he's worth, and that's all that really matters to the men behind the curtain, anyway.
| Ame-ricano wrote: | | I wouldn't vote for Bush again besides going to war he hasn't done much. |
Actually, his mastery of the English language has almost made it all worth it: http://www.dubyaspeak.com
| Ame-ricano wrote: | | I wouldn't vote for anyone else unless I see a something I like |
General Wesley K. Clark (ret)
http://www.clark04.com
| Ame-ricano wrote: | | or else I'll waste my vote |
George W. Bush
http://www.georgewbush.com |
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Americano
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So you think we had no reason to go to war with Iraq?  |
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elchrist
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| Ame-ricano wrote: | | So you think we had no reason to go to war with Iraq? |
The US sure didn't. There is no proven link to 9/11, Al Quaeda, Osama bin Laden, et al.
The UN or whomever is responsible for regulating the planet should have gone in with diplomacy and stuck to it. If all else fails, attack. |
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verbal
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| Ame-ricano wrote: | | So you think we had no reason to go to war with Iraq? |
No ICBM's.
Never attacked the US of A.
Hadn't attack another country (recently).
Little if anything on WMD.
No Nukes.
Yes, there it is. |
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bemisnorris
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I think this statement by Howard Dean puts Saddam Hussein's capture in proper perspective:
"...I do not think that it makes America's homeland safer, and we do need to make sure that we focus and continue to focus on stopping terror and stopping al Qaeda, because al Qaeda is the real danger and focus for the United States of America."
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/12/16/elec04.prez.dems.iraq/index.html
As does this article from The Philadelphia Enquirer:
The war on terror toppled a figurehead yesterday, not a mastermind or even a major leader. Although the capture gave the United States and the Bush administration a huge psychological victory in Iraq, the effort to defeat the forces of anti-American violence worldwide was mostly unaffected. |
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elchrist
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| Ame-ricano wrote: | | If they had a chance an Iraqian would shoot any American with thinking twice about it. So I say fuck it. |
If you woke up in the middle of the night only to find a burglar* in your home armed with a gun, would you not shoot him?
* In this case the burglar is the USA. |
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