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watts
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| chainsmokinmonkey wrote: | | i believe that a clause should be put in that if someone votes no on the recall, then that person should not be allowed to vote for a replacement. |
The reason I think your suggestion is wrong is because it is actually two things we are voting on. First we are voting on the recall. For all those people who vote No but the recall is still passed their voices(votes) wouldn't be heard in the election of the new governor. It could also possibly allow a minority of voters (lets say supporters of Arriana Huffington) get their condidate in when she actually has the least support. |
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elchrist
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| Posted: 03 Oct 2003 03:14 PM Post subject: |
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| watts wrote: | | chainsmokinmonkey wrote: | | i believe that a clause should be put in that if someone votes no on the recall, then that person should not be allowed to vote for a replacement. |
The reason I think your suggestion is wrong is because it is actually two things we are voting on. First we are voting on the recall. For all those people who vote No but the recall is still passed their voices(votes) wouldn't be heard in the election of the new governor. It could also possibly allow a minority of voters (lets say supporters of Arriana Huffington) get their condidate in when she actually has the least support. |
This does makes sense because 49.999 percent of the votes in this election would be lost, then those same 49.999 percent of voters will complain about it not being a fair election.
Although, does it really make sense to allow two votes?
"Let me vote against this recall, but just in case I made the wrong decision, let me vote for this candidate as well."
That doesn't seem fair to me. |
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watts
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| Posted: 03 Oct 2003 03:29 PM Post subject: |
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| elchrist wrote: | | That doesn't seem fair to me. |
You are right. I think we should really have two votes spaced 6 months apart. For the first vote we decide whether or not we want to recall Davis. Then, when the votes have been tallied and the recall is put into effect (if it passes), then we stage another election to elect the governor. Then we would have truly earned to be the laughing stock of the nation.
It's two things we are voting on but it was streamlined to save time and money. |
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elchrist
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| Posted: 03 Oct 2003 03:38 PM Post subject: |
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| watts wrote: | | elchrist wrote: | | That doesn't seem fair to me. |
You are right. I think we should really have two votes spaced 6 months apart. For the first vote we decide whether or not we want to recall Davis. Then, when the votes have been tallied and the recall is put into effect (if it passes), then we stage another election to elect the governor. Then we would have truly earned to be the laughing stock of the nation. |
And who says we haven't done so already?
| watts wrote: | | It's two things we are voting on but it was streamlined to save time and money. |
Well we'll see how much money "we've" saved once this thing is over. Gray Davis claims he won't seek reimbursement for the money he spent on his recall campaign, but if he loses... Ka-ching! |
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bemisnorris
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| Posted: 03 Oct 2003 03:45 PM Post subject: |
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| watts wrote: | | chainsmokinmonkey wrote: | | i believe that a clause should be put in that if someone votes no on the recall, then that person should not be allowed to vote for a replacement. |
The reason I think your suggestion is wrong is because it is actually two things we are voting on. First we are voting on the recall. For all those people who vote No but the recall is still passed their voices(votes) wouldn't be heard in the election of the new governor. It could also possibly allow a minority of voters (lets say supporters of Arriana Huffington) get their condidate in when she actually has the least support. |
I see you're point, but when you vote "no" on the recall you are voting for Davis...so in essence you are casting votes for two separate candidates if you vote "no" on the recall and vote for another candidate. |
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bemisnorris
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I personally am protesting this election, not because I am against a "recall election", but because I am angered at what the "recall election" has been turned into.
I actually think that having the power to have a recall election is a good idea...a "people's impeachment", if you will. What I don't like is that people on all sides aren't taking this election seriously.
I won't vote "no" on the recall, because it means that I'm either in favor of keeping Davis in office, or I am against the idea of being able to recall an elected official.
I won't vote "yes" on the recall, because this recall was not brought on by the people, but by sore losers.
What makes these circus freaks (err, candidates) and the media think that they can treat this election as a joke just because it's a "recall" election? |
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spic-ole
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I just found out last night, so I know that there isn't very much time left.
Did any of you know that the Imperial Valley has a candidate running for Governor? He's from Calexico and his name is Danny Ramirez.
Not that I want any of you to vote for him or anything, this guy's full of shit. He's one of those hardcore religious, anti-choice, anti-commonsense, pro-anything to make the world more religious at the expense of anything, nut cases.
I'm just wondering if any of you knew about it.
Let's play a game, how many votes will this guy get?
I pick 4 (I think that's the size of his family) |
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elchrist
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| Posted: 07 Oct 2003 01:04 PM Post subject: |
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| spic-ole wrote: | Let's play a game, how many votes will this guy get?
I pick 4 (I think that's the size of his family) |
I say roughly 300.
You forgot about his church. |
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bemisnorris
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| Posted: 07 Oct 2003 01:46 PM Post subject: |
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| spic-ole wrote: | I just found out last night, so I know that there isn't very much time left.
Did any of you know that the Imperial Valley has a candidate running for Governor? He's from Calexico and his name is Danny Ramirez.
Not that I want any of you to vote for him or anything, this guy's full of shit. He's one of those hardcore religious, anti-choice, anti-commonsense, pro-anything to make the world more religious at the expense of anything, nut cases.
I'm just wondering if any of you knew about it.
Let's play a game, how many votes will this guy get?
I pick 4 (I think that's the size of his family) |
There were originally two candidates from the Valley running for governor. I guess the other guy backed out. |
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| bemisnorris wrote: | I personally am protesting this election, not because I am against a "recall election", but because I am angered at what the "recall election" has been turned into.
I actually think that having the power to have a recall election is a good idea...a "people's impeachment", if you will. What I don't like is that people on all sides aren't taking this election seriously.
I won't vote "no" on the recall, because it means that I'm either in favor of keeping Davis in office, or I am against the idea of being able to recall an elected official.
I won't vote "yes" on the recall, because this recall was not brought on by the people, but by sore losers.
What makes these circus freaks (err, candidates) and the media think that they can treat this election as a joke just because it's a "recall" election? |
Ok.
So people aren't taking this seriously. Ok. So I guess all the money and time that A-nold is pumping into (pun intended) his campaign can be seen as worthless. I take it that Bustamante likes to campaign against Davis. I wonder if McClintock is taking it seriously.
Unless your taking porn-stars and has been actors seriously then I can see how you can view how this re-election is pretty much a circus. Are you ashame of living in California because others States and comedians can't get enough of the re-election process?
I'm all for the Re-election. People will have to go out and vote for Davis. If people really like him then they will go out and vote for him first. If they do, then the other candidates don't count. Davis promised a lot of things and it seemed that once he was elected he turned his back on the people. He promised millions of dollars for CA education and we all know what happened with that. The CTA and countless of teachers felt betrayed and started to raise hell for Davis. Thousands of petitions were signed and the recall process was in its way.
I believe this is good for California. Right now it may look as a circus, but in the long run it will make candidates think twice about not keeping their promises.
Sore loser? No, just fed up with empty campaign promises. |
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