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bemisnorris
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| verbal wrote: | | As for the BCS its crap, but its better than the old system. AP writers selecting the National Champion was crap. So far the BCS has been lucky in the sense that only two teams have been undefeated at the end of the season. Thus, the BCS has worked. I really don't care about who won the Liberty Bowl. |
I actually prefer the old system for one simple reason...tradition. The Bull Crap Shit has made (not all) but some of the best Bowl games irrelevent. Even the Rose Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Sugar Bowl, and Orange Bowl become pretty irrelevent (maybe not to the players, but to a large number of fans) when the championship game is not played there. I know that the third place game is played at one of those venues, but, again, who cares? Other than people who make a lot of money off it.
A better system would be a playoff system that includes many of the different bowl games. That way even the non-championship bowl games have some relevance. But, of course, as long as the BCS makes the BCS eligible teams money that they don't have to share, it won't change. |
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chainsmokinmonkey
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| verbal wrote: | | you seem to forget something. the minute you play a sport that you "love" for money, all integrity has been lost. sports are made to be a game, and games are made to be fun. |
What's getting paid have to do with integrity? You can still do both. You play by the rules, you work hard, and you don't cheat. That's integrity. What happens off the field is besides the point.
The NBA is a horrible league. Too many thugs with too much cash. They all know that the season sucks and they only start playing in the playoffs. Look at R.Horry. Still, there are high price players that play hard regardless if the league wants a certain matchup. T.Duncam, K.G., Kobe, Tracy, and those are the superstars. I hate the fact that the league pushes certain teams and doesn't call traveling, but I like sports and I will continue to watch the finals. Though I prefer March Madness. If I really cared about all the right calls and fundamentals then I would watch the WNBA, and trust me I will never watch that crap.
A lot of players still respect the history of the game. Roger Clemens just won 300 games and before each start he goes out and kisses/rubs Babe Ruth's plaque out in center field. So you're saying that because Roger Clemens gets paid he has no integrity? Is it his fault that the game he is good at he can make a profitable living off. Does he make the salaries? Does he tell people to go to games and purchase $1500 tickets. That's how much tickets were going for when he picthed against the Cubs.
Yes there are players like Cansecon, Bell, who are ass holes and only play for the money. I hate players like E.James (colts) who said every time he crosses the goal line all he thinks about are dollar signs. Do players play way too many years at the end of the career for just money. Yes, but I still believe there are some good players out there.
A.Rod left the Mariners to play in a last place team. Obviously he left for the money, but wouldn't you. 252 million in 10 years. Just tell me right now that you would have stayed with the Mariners. That's right you would have taken the cash. What did A.Rod do after he got that money, he only put up MVP numbers. They gave it to Tejada, but A.Rods numbers were better. So he has no integrity for the game because he plays for cash. I say he plays 110%, if he didn't his numbers would show.
Look at Tony Gwynn. He could have left and received the big pay check, but he didn't. Look at Cal Ripken. Are you saying that Lou Gerrigh had no integrity. What about Ronnie Lott. Are you willing to go up to him and say that he has no integrity for the game? Hey Ronnie you have no integrity because you play for money. Yeah fuckin right. This man decided to amputate his pinky in order to play the remainder of the season.
Games are made to be fun, but more importantly they are made for competition. In games you have winners and losers. One team wins the championship and all other teams are losers. That simple. |
so roger clemens has integrity? did somebody forget about the intentional beaning of mike piazza, or how about that world series game where clemens threw a broken bat at piazza's leg. yeah, i guess you're right. roger clemens does a fine job of upholding the integrity of the game. |
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chainsmokinmonkey
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| Posted: 02 Jul 2003 11:02 PM Post subject: |
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| bemisnorris wrote: | | verbal wrote: | | As for the BCS its crap, but its better than the old system. AP writers selecting the National Champion was crap. So far the BCS has been lucky in the sense that only two teams have been undefeated at the end of the season. Thus, the BCS has worked. I really don't care about who won the Liberty Bowl. |
I actually prefer the old system for one simple reason...tradition. The Bull Crap Shit has made (not all) but some of the best Bowl games irrelevent. Even the Rose Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Sugar Bowl, and Orange Bowl become pretty irrelevent (maybe not to the players, but to a large number of fans) when the championship game is not played there. I know that the third place game is played at one of those venues, but, again, who cares? Other than people who make a lot of money off it.
A better system would be a playoff system that includes many of the different bowl games. That way even the non-championship bowl games have some relevance. But, of course, as long as the BCS makes the BCS eligible teams money that they don't have to share, it won't change. |
it's all about the money. that is why college football will never go to a playoff system, at least in D-1. right now the conferences get the money, but if they were to go to a playoff system, the ncaa as a whole would make the money. |
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bemisnorris
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| Posted: 03 Jul 2003 06:26 AM Post subject: |
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| chainsmokinmonkey wrote: | | bemisnorris wrote: | | verbal wrote: | | As for the BCS its crap, but its better than the old system. AP writers selecting the National Champion was crap. So far the BCS has been lucky in the sense that only two teams have been undefeated at the end of the season. Thus, the BCS has worked. I really don't care about who won the Liberty Bowl. |
I actually prefer the old system for one simple reason...tradition. The Bull Crap Shit has made (not all) but some of the best Bowl games irrelevent. Even the Rose Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Sugar Bowl, and Orange Bowl become pretty irrelevent (maybe not to the players, but to a large number of fans) when the championship game is not played there. I know that the third place game is played at one of those venues, but, again, who cares? Other than people who make a lot of money off it.
A better system would be a playoff system that includes many of the different bowl games. That way even the non-championship bowl games have some relevance. But, of course, as long as the BCS makes the BCS eligible teams money that they don't have to share, it won't change. |
it's all about the money. that is why college football will never go to a playoff system, at least in D-1. right now the conferences get the money, but if they were to go to a playoff system, the ncaa as a whole would make the money. |
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| Posted: 03 Jul 2003 10:46 AM Post subject: |
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| So... lets get back to original topic. Mike Tyson? |
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| Posted: 03 Jul 2003 11:24 AM Post subject: |
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| Ame-ricano wrote: | | So... lets get back to original topic. Mike Tyson? |
Fuck Tyson. He's banned. M.Tyson is like many black athletes that have all the talent (not potential) to be the greatest and instead become rapists and become nothing but good players.
All media outlets should ban M.Tyson from the air waves. It's the media that keeps him alive. He hasn't fought since he got his ass rocked against L.Lewis. |
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| Posted: 03 Jul 2003 11:35 AM Post subject: |
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so roger clemens has integrity? did somebody forget about the intentional beaning of mike piazza, or how about that world series game where clemens threw a broken bat at piazza's leg. yeah, i guess you're right. roger clemens does a fine job of upholding the integrity of the game |
You sure you ain't a woman because you sure like to nit pick shit.
Beaning a player is part of the game. P.Martinez does it all the time. G.Maddux has done it. Every pitcher does it, so I don't see your point. Please don't come back with a sorry excuse that well no one from the Mets threw first at a Yankee player, thus R.Clemens had no validity to beaning M.Piazza.
Now throwing the bat I see were it could be consider wrong, but I don't see how that in any way hurts the integrity of the game. Occasionaly there are brawls in baseball and that is accept it. Very few times a batter will take his bat with him. Beaning people and brawls are part of the game.
I don't how much baseball or ESPN do you watch, but it was funny to see how R.Clemens reacted when he got thrown at. It was during interleague play and R.Clemens being the intimidator that he is threw at a guy. Well during Clemens' first at bat the pitcher threw about 2 feet behind Roger and he punked out. He didn't want to swing the bat and he pitched a horrible game. I think he was pulled early in that game because he was scared up on the mound. |
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chainsmokinmonkey
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so roger clemens has integrity? did somebody forget about the intentional beaning of mike piazza, or how about that world series game where clemens threw a broken bat at piazza's leg. yeah, i guess you're right. roger clemens does a fine job of upholding the integrity of the game |
You sure you ain't a woman because you sure like to nit pick shit.
Beaning a player is part of the game. P.Martinez does it all the time. G.Maddux has done it. Every pitcher does it, so I don't see your point. Please don't come back with a sorry excuse that well no one from the Mets threw first at a Yankee player, thus R.Clemens had no validity to beaning M.Piazza.
Now throwing the bat I see were it could be consider wrong, but I don't see how that in any way hurts the integrity of the game. Occasionaly there are brawls in baseball and that is accept it. Very few times a batter will take his bat with him. Beaning people and brawls are part of the game.
I don't how much baseball or ESPN do you watch, but it was funny to see how R.Clemens reacted when he got thrown at. It was during interleague play and R.Clemens being the intimidator that he is threw at a guy. Well during Clemens' first at bat the pitcher threw about 2 feet behind Roger and he punked out. He didn't want to swing the bat and he pitched a horrible game. I think he was pulled early in that game because he was scared up on the mound. |
there is a difference between beaning a player intentionally and beaning a player accidentally. i agree that it happens, but it by no means is part of the game. feeling the need to play dirty is by no means part of the game. that is where integrity is lost. when a batter can not stop to think if he got hit intentionally or not, then something is wrong. bean a batter once, one could argue it was an accident. bean the same guy twice, then we got problems. |
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It is part of the game. It falls under the unwritten rules of the game.
If its not then this next example would have never happen according to your interpretation of whats in the game or not.
Right before the All-Star game the Cards were playing the Pads. In extras Pujols hits a game winning walk-off HR. He takes his sweet time to look at his HR and then trots around the bases. Bennett the Pads catcher didn't like that and had some words with Cards players after the game. VERY next game on Pujols 1st at bat guess what happens? He gets bean. Yeah, it was a 66 mph breakin ball, but he still got thrown at.
But I guess I never saw this since intentionally hitting a guy is not part of the game. See, you need to this or else you would have someone break out a sharpie and he would sign his bat after hitting a HR. Then he would give it to the 1st base coach as he rounded 1st. By plucking people you don't have show boating and if they do then they get pluck. Thus, its part of the game. |
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chainsmokinmonkey
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| verbal wrote: | It is part of the game. It falls under the unwritten rules of the game.
If its not then this next example would have never happen according to your interpretation of whats in the game or not.
Right before the All-Star game the Cards were playing the Pads. In extras Pujols hits a game winning walk-off HR. He takes his sweet time to look at his HR and then trots around the bases. Bennett the Pads catcher didn't like that and had some words with Cards players after the game. VERY next game on Pujols 1st at bat guess what happens? He gets bean. Yeah, it was a 66 mph breakin ball, but he still got thrown at.
But I guess I never saw this since intentionally hitting a guy is not part of the game. See, you need to this or else you would have someone break out a sharpie and he would sign his bat after hitting a HR. Then he would give it to the 1st base coach as he rounded 1st. By plucking people you don't have show boating and if they do then they get pluck. Thus, its part of the game. |
first off pujols is not terrell owens. second, it's not up to the opposing pitcher to police a show boat, it's the show boats coach. i don't think there's anything wrong in watching your homerun ball fly over the fence. he was proud of it. it was classless of the padres pitcher to throw at pujols the next day. he should have taken the higher road and said, "i'm better than that." in japan, when a pitcher beans a batter, he tilts his hat to let him know it was an accident. if he doesn't, then they got problems. i think thing would be better if the mlb adopted the same respect. |
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