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bemisnorris
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| chainsmokinmonkey wrote: | | bemisnorris wrote: | | Sorry, guys, but Jose Canseco is and always has been Cuban. |
it don't matter if he's cuban or mexican. |
Yes, it does. |
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bemisnorris
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| Posted: 24 Jun 2003 04:35 PM Post subject: |
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| Ame-ricano wrote: | | Will all this bullshit keep him out of the Hall of Fame? |
If betting keeps Pete Rose out of the Hall of Fame, I would hope that everything Canseco does keeps him out. But I doubt that they would keep the first 40-40 (40 homers, 40 stolen bases) major leaguer out of the Hall. |
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spic-ole
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| Posted: 24 Jun 2003 07:07 PM Post subject: |
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| bemisnorris wrote: | | Ame-ricano wrote: | | Will all this bullshit keep him out of the Hall of Fame? |
If betting keeps Pete Rose out of the Hall of Fame, I would hope that everything Canseco does keeps him out. But I doubt that they would keep the first 40-40 (40 homers, 40 stolen bases) major leaguer out of the Hall. |
Why the hell not? They've been keeping the leagues all-time hits leader out for years.
Who cares if he placed a bet? |
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bemisnorris
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| Posted: 24 Jun 2003 10:49 PM Post subject: |
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| spic-ole wrote: | | bemisnorris wrote: | | Ame-ricano wrote: | | Will all this bullshit keep him out of the Hall of Fame? |
If betting keeps Pete Rose out of the Hall of Fame, I would hope that everything Canseco does keeps him out. But I doubt that they would keep the first 40-40 (40 homers, 40 stolen bases) major leaguer out of the Hall. |
Why the hell not? They've been keeping the leagues all-time hits leader out for years. |
Yeah, but home runs are a lot more prestigious than hits.
| spic-ole wrote: | | Who cares if he placed a bet? |
I agree. |
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verbal
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| Posted: 25 Jun 2003 05:53 PM Post subject: |
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| bemisnorris wrote: | | spic-ole wrote: | | bemisnorris wrote: | | Ame-ricano wrote: | | Will all this bullshit keep him out of the Hall of Fame? |
If betting keeps Pete Rose out of the Hall of Fame, I would hope that everything Canseco does keeps him out. But I doubt that they would keep the first 40-40 (40 homers, 40 stolen bases) major leaguer out of the Hall. |
Why the hell not? They've been keeping the leagues all-time hits leader out for years. |
Yeah, but home runs are a lot more prestigious than hits.
| spic-ole wrote: | | Who cares if he placed a bet? |
I agree. |
Man, it's all about the integrity of the game. Plus, with that shit roaming around the game it makes it a lot harder on us Caliente folk.
Gots' to make the bread, dog. |
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bemisnorris
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| Posted: 25 Jun 2003 07:28 PM Post subject: |
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| verbal wrote: | | bemisnorris wrote: | | spic-ole wrote: | | bemisnorris wrote: | | Ame-ricano wrote: | | Will all this bullshit keep him out of the Hall of Fame? |
If betting keeps Pete Rose out of the Hall of Fame, I would hope that everything Canseco does keeps him out. But I doubt that they would keep the first 40-40 (40 homers, 40 stolen bases) major leaguer out of the Hall. |
Why the hell not? They've been keeping the leagues all-time hits leader out for years. |
Yeah, but home runs are a lot more prestigious than hits.
| spic-ole wrote: | | Who cares if he placed a bet? |
I agree. |
Man, it's all about the integrity of the game. Plus, with that shit roaming around the game it makes it a lot harder on us Caliente folk.
Gots' to make the bread, dog. |
Hey, Rose never betted on his team to lose, and baseball bets are placed only on winners/losers, not point spreads, so it didn't affect your wagers. |
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verbal
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| Posted: 25 Jun 2003 08:01 PM Post subject: |
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| bemisnorris wrote: | | verbal wrote: | | bemisnorris wrote: | | spic-ole wrote: | | bemisnorris wrote: | | Ame-ricano wrote: | | Will all this bullshit keep him out of the Hall of Fame? |
If betting keeps Pete Rose out of the Hall of Fame, I would hope that everything Canseco does keeps him out. But I doubt that they would keep the first 40-40 (40 homers, 40 stolen bases) major leaguer out of the Hall. |
Why the hell not? They've been keeping the leagues all-time hits leader out for years. |
Yeah, but home runs are a lot more prestigious than hits.
| spic-ole wrote: | | Who cares if he placed a bet? |
I agree. |
Man, it's all about the integrity of the game. Plus, with that shit roaming around the game it makes it a lot harder on us Caliente folk.
Gots' to make the bread, dog. |
| Hey, Rose never betted on his team to lose, and baseball bets are placed only on winners/losers, not point spreads, so it didn't affect your wagers. |
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Really? How do you know? Did you see his parlays? You're taking the side and word from a man who has denied for 14 years that he didn't bet on baseball.
Hey teams want to win every game but if you know anything about baseball, MLB, in this case you would know that managers often leave their pitcher an extra inning or two. Pitchers like to struggle in the 6th, but managers won't take them out until the 7th and 8th if possible. Why, well if you actually watch a game or two instead of SportCenter you would know that manager have to manage a 162 game season. If he tends to bring in his bullpen to early he will tire them out and he will have no healthy arms at the end of the season or in the playoffs. So placing a bet on your own team can affect the outcome of the game. Instead of managing the game like how you always do (162 game season) you bring in the relieve and win the game at all cost. Thus, you play individual games and not a season. If you start playing too many individual games you ruin your season. That's pretty fucked up for a manager to do that. Win only so he could win. Pretty greedy and it hurts the game. Not that I care.
Have you heard of the Run Line? Do your homework. |
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bemisnorris
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| Posted: 25 Jun 2003 09:53 PM Post subject: |
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| verbal wrote: | | bemisnorris wrote: | | Hey, Rose never betted on his team to lose, and baseball bets are placed only on winners/losers, not point spreads, so it didn't affect your wagers. |
Really? How do you know? Did you see his parlays? You're taking the side and word from a man who has denied for 14 years that he didn't bet on baseball. |
It is generally accepted (even by MLB) that Rose never bet against the Reds. In John Dowd's investigation, he found no evidence that Rose ever bet against his own team, although he found plenty of evidence that he did bet in favor of his team.
| verbal wrote: | | Hey teams want to win every game but if you know anything about baseball, MLB, in this case you would know that managers often leave their pitcher an extra inning or two. Pitchers like to struggle in the 6th, but managers won't take them out until the 7th and 8th if possible. Why, well if you actually watch a game or two instead of SportCenter you would know that manager have to manage a 162 game season. If he tends to bring in his bullpen to early he will tire them out and he will have no healthy arms at the end of the season or in the playoffs. So placing a bet on your own team can affect the outcome of the game. Instead of managing the game like how you always do (162 game season) you bring in the relieve and win the game at all cost. Thus, you play individual games and not a season. If you start playing too many individual games you ruin your season. That's pretty fucked up for a manager to do that. Win only so he could win. Pretty greedy and it hurts the game. Not that I care. |
If you know anything about baseball, you know that each team has enough relievers, so managers can bring in a reliever in the 6th inning and still have fresh arms for the next few games. Also, sometimes you need to take a starter out earlier just to save his arm. If you know anything about baseball, you know that the number of pitches the pitcher has thrown is more important than the number of innings he's pitched, in determining whether or not to pull him out when he's in trouble.
| verbal wrote: | | Have you heard of the Run Line? Do your homework. |
D'oh! My bad.
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I don't think they should keep someone out of the Hall of Fame for things they did in their personal time. Pete Rose was betting on baseball that is bad. Conseco is just an idiot that can't stay out of trouble.
Plus he's the first 40HR and 40SB player and he holds the record for the longest homerun ever. He should be let into the Hall of Fame, Babe Ruth was slob, drunk and he was admitted. |
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bemisnorris
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| Posted: 26 Jun 2003 01:46 PM Post subject: |
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| Ame-ricano wrote: | Conseco is just an idiot that can't stay out of trouble.
Plus he's the first 40HR and 40SB player and he holds the record for the longest homerun ever. He should be let into the Hall of Fame. |
And I'm sure he will be let in because he was the first 40-40 player. But don't you think that, if betting hurts the integrity of the game, then steroid use does, too? Especially, when it comes to homerun records? |
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