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revramrod
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 Posted: 29 May 2003 11:07 PM Post subject: WMD just a convenient excuse for war, admits Wolfowitz |
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WMD just a convenient excuse for war, admits Wolfowitz
"The Bush administration focused on alleged weapons of mass destruction as the primary justification for toppling Saddam Hussein by force because it was politically convenient, a top-level official at the Pentagon has acknowledged.
"Mr Wolfowitz also discloses that there was one justification that was "almost unnoticed but huge". That was the prospect of the United States being able to withdraw all of its forces from Saudi Arabia once the threat of Saddam had been removed. Since the taking of Baghdad, Washington has said that it is taking its troops out of the kingdom. "Just lifting that burden from the Saudis is itself going to the door" towards making progress elsewhere in achieving Middle East peace, Mr Wolfowitz said. The presence of the US military in Saudi Arabia has been one of the main grievances of al-Qa'ida and other terrorist groups.
"'For bureaucratic reasons we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction, because it was the one reason everyone could agree on,' Mr Wolfowitz tells the magazine."
Source: Independent.co.uk | http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=410730
OK. He just admitted they lied about their reason for attacking Iraq. When does the impeachment process start? |
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Mr.Tasty
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| Posted: 30 May 2003 08:04 AM Post subject: Re: WMD just a convenient excuse for war, admits Wolfowitz |
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| revramrod wrote: |
OK. He just admitted they lied about their reason for attacking Iraq. When does the impeachment process start? |
Impeachment? We will be extremely lucky if this yahoo doesn't get re-elected. |
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ElWusso
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| the way that most of america works... he'll probably get re-elected... that bastard... but either way, you can't deny that the majority of the iraqi people are better off now in one way or another, now we just gotta see how bush drags them back down to where they were before and perhaps even further while we enjoy the price drops on gas. |
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| Posted: 31 May 2003 12:08 PM Post subject: |
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| ElWusso wrote: | | the way that most of america works... he'll probably get re-elected... that bastard... but either way, you can't deny that the majority of the iraqi people are better off now in one way or another, now we just gotta see how bush drags them back down to where they were before and perhaps even further while we enjoy the price drops on gas. |
Better off now?
Let me see the Iraq museum got raided. No more history.
There is no regime. Looting. Who controls the streets?
When the US leaves who will come in and take Iraq. It's like Risk. On your turn you try and try to take Ukraine, but after 20 turns your down to 1 men and must end your turn. Only to see the punk next to you quickly say Eastern Europe against Ukraine and in one roll of the dice he takes Ukraine.
The US during the entire Cold War said democracy was the way to go. Tell that to all those Russians now.
It sure is better for the US, but to the people of those regions. I'm not supporting fascits or dictatorship regimes, but I just don't buy every thing the Government wants me to believe. They told us that we had to stop S.Hussein because he had WMD, but seriously where are they? Where all those vials of anthrax that C.Powell was waving around in all those U.N. meetings?
Oh shit, I'm unpatriotic. Any body for some tacos? |
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ElWusso
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yeah dude, i agree with you on everything, but i do believe that MOST of the people over there are in fact better off now, they don't have the shadow of saddam hanging over them, although that's being quickly replaced by the US's shadow....
the museum was probably just another of saddam's little places to show off, besides what type of history did they have in there?
I thought that the americans were controlling the streets, they are the ones with the guns afterall.
You really think the US is gonna leave? they just hit the goldmine and u think they're gonna leave it to some other power to take control of? come on man, the US is an imperialistic power, whatever they conquer they don't leave alone, just look at mexico, chile or nicaragua, fuck, any country south of the border is theirs and we all know that.
And of course, you shouldn't believe what other's tell you, especially the government as you pointed out, but you also shouldn't feel bad that some of what the government says could be or is true. I agree with u on that argument about wmd, and yes, bush sucks donkey dick, and i never agreed with the war and certainly not the way that the events in it developed, not the deaths of innocent people or the killing of an "enemy", but right now, looking back at what could have been, the war went by pretty quickly, and now they govt is just worried about covering it's ass on all the little details 'bout their lies regarding the war, but that doesn't meen that it was all bad..... sides, the rev's right, that fucker should get impeached. |
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spic-ole
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| ElWusso wrote: | | You really think the US is gonna leave? they just hit the goldmine and u think they're gonna leave it to some other power to take control of? come on man, the US is an imperialistic power, whatever they conquer they don't leave alone. |
Hey man, it doesn't matter that the U.S. just finished conquering a land that probably has the most oil reserves in the world. Oil will become obselete soon. Don't you know that Bush wants to invest billions into the research of electric cars? |
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revramrod
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| ElWusso wrote: | | yeah dude, i agree with you on everything, but i do believe that MOST of the people over there are in fact better off now, they don't have the shadow of saddam hanging over them, although that's being quickly replaced by the US's shadow.... |
Please take a few minutes to study what happened to Lebanon, then apply that toward Iraq's future.
| ElWusso wrote: | | the museum was probably just another of saddam's little places to show off, besides what type of history did they have in there? |
Relics? Who the hell really knows, but Iraq was full of history: Mesopotamia. Babylon. Persia. The Parthian Empire. The hub of the ancient trade routes. The Silk and Spice Routes. The alleged biblical location of Garden of Eden (Tigris-Euphrates river basin.)
Iraq had history to spare.
| ElWusso wrote: | | I thought that the americans were controlling the streets, they are the ones with the guns afterall. |
Wrong. The criminals (looters, thugs, etc.) are controlling the streets. There are still thousands of weapons in civilian/rebel hands.
| ElWusso wrote: | | You really think the US is gonna leave? they just hit the goldmine and u think they're gonna leave it to some other power to take control of? |
No foreign nation will take control of Iraq. There is too much hanging in the balance. Everyone, friend and foe alike, has the Iraq situation under a microscope. The US appears to be more than willing to give Iraq back to its people to gain influence in the region. They surely have bigger fish to fry.
This was only the first turn in a long game of Risk.
Of course, the fact that the Iraqi people are calling for a theocracy to replace Saddam's regime doesn't make their future look too bright.
| ElWusso wrote: | | come on man, the US is an imperialistic power, whatever they conquer they don't leave alone, just look at mexico, chile or nicaragua, fuck, any country south of the border is theirs and we all know that. |
When has the US ever controlled Mexico, Chile or Nicaragua? Sure, one could say they influence policy in those and other Latin American countries, but their sovereignty has always been their own.
| ElWusso wrote: | | And of course, you shouldn't believe what other's tell you, especially the government as you pointed out, but you also shouldn't feel bad that some of what the government says could be or is true. I agree with u on that argument about wmd, and yes, bush sucks donkey dick, and i never agreed with the war and certainly not the way that the events in it developed, not the deaths of innocent people or the killing of an "enemy", but right now, looking back at what could have been, the war went by pretty quickly, and now they govt is just worried about covering it's ass on all the little details 'bout their lies regarding the war, but that doesn't meen that it was all bad..... |
Death and destruction does not end once the bombs stop falling out of the sky. In the long run, more people in Iraq will be lost to famine, disease, crime and policy, than to the high-tech toys we unleashed upon them.
| ElWusso wrote: | | sides, the rev's right, that fucker should get impeached. |
Damn straight.
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chainsmokinmonkey
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| Posted: 03 Jun 2003 11:03 AM Post subject: Re: WMD just a convenient excuse for war, admits Wolfowitz |
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| revramrod wrote: | | OK. He just admitted they lied about their reason for attacking Iraq. When does the impeachment process start? |
ok, let the process begin. but if they let a yahoo like clinton off for lying under oath, then wouldn't it be just as logical to let this yahoo off. they both lied their asses off to protect themselves from whatever scrutiny comes their way. or do the rules apply differently for republicans than they do democrats? |
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bemisnorris
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| Posted: 03 Jun 2003 04:00 PM Post subject: Re: WMD just a convenient excuse for war, admits Wolfowitz |
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| chainsmokinmonkey wrote: | | revramrod wrote: | | OK. He just admitted they lied about their reason for attacking Iraq. When does the impeachment process start? |
ok, let the process begin. but if they let a yahoo like clinton off for lying under oath, then wouldn't it be just as logical to let this yahoo off. they both lied their asses off to protect themselves from whatever scrutiny comes their way. or do the rules apply differently for republicans than they do democrats? |
There's a big difference between saying that you have not had "sexual relations with (someone)" and saying that we need to "disarm the Iraqi regime of weapons of mass destruction". Lying about reasons to go to war is far worse than lying about sex. |
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bemisnorris
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