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RandR
Boot Camp
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| Gryphon1 wrote: | Thats what we are paid to do, stick our noses in and make sure that bike is yours, see who is passing counterfeit money, catch burglars, whether they have property on them or not.
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You don't get paid to stick your noses in. There are constitutional amendments that are in place specifically to keep you from unjustifiably sticking your nose in, Gryphon1.
Regarding your question (albeit rhetorical), "Are there stupid cops?" You better believe it. A couple of years ago, when my brother's home was broken into and his property stolen, one of the responding officers asked, "Did they take anything from upstairs?" My brother and his next door neighbors all have single story homes. It was that kind of observational prowess that convinced my brother almost immediately that he would never again see the cherished video of his daughter's first steps and words spoken, which was inside the camera that was stolen, or the first gifts he had given his wife when they were dating.
Fortunately, my brother, his wife and two year old daughter were out of town at the time. While this seems a glaring coincidence to me, not a single neighbor was questioned. It's that kind of diligence that to this day keeps my sister-in-law on edge when she steps out of town.
As far as avoiding "beefs", when I get pulled over I am the nicest and most polite man on earth. Why? It's not simply that I respect your authority, which I honestly do, but because your job requires you to carry a gun. I weigh roughly 4,000 lbs but not even I'm bullet proof.
I sincerely applaud you for participating in this discussion, though. And my heart goes out to you and your fellow officers in light of the terrible news that a Calexico Police Officer died in a traffic accident today. |
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AikiMike
Cholo Nako
Joined: 20 Mar 2007
Posts: 18
Location: Oceanside, California
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| Posted: 01 Nov 2007 06:41 PM Post subject: |
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"Unjustifiably" is the key word in the whole calculus of citizen contacts, detentions and arrests. If an officer has a "reasonable suspicion", an honest and articulable reason, that criminal activity may be happening, then he may detain an individual for a reasonable period of time to adequately investigate. He must have probable cause, a higher legal standard, that the individual has committed a crime to justify an arrest. An officer can walk up and speak to any citizen at any time, without reasonable suspicion or probable cause as long as the citizen is free to go on about his business and is not detained. An example might be where I'm sitting in the park, enjoying the day and an officer walks up and asks me the time. I have no obligation to tell him the time and as long as I know that I am free to walk away, no detention has taken place, nor is there a constitutional violation.
And yeah, there are stupid cops and there are lazy cops. We hire people to be police agents and they truly represent a bell curve of performance. On one end you have the superstars and on the other you may have the dunces. In between you have a large number of men and women who come to work each day, give their sincere best effort, and go home at the end of shift.
This kind of responsible dialog is valuable for both the police and the public. Communication and understanding are absolute cornerstones of good government and public service. We need more of this - and you should be commended for stating your frustration with the burglary in a rational and measured way.[/b] |
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Gryphon1
Moved to SD
Joined: 25 Oct 2004
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Location: El Centro
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| Posted: 01 Nov 2007 07:43 PM Post subject: |
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I am glad that this post is generating responses, regardless if they seem critical, but let me assure you, I know the boundaries of what my job legally entails, just as most crooks do. So the job is to do it right, catch the guy, and have him convicted. It all sounds easier than it is. Luckily for me I had outstanding mentors in this career field and have learned to be very savvy in my work due to their dilligence.
Aikimike is right when he said we have hero's and zero's but thats the spectrum of life. I also know that it takes time to be a good cop, years more than I'd like to admit, but, years man. Thanks to all of those who helped me be better, and who helped my community by making me better. I pass those lessons on to my trainee's. Now some of them get it, some don't.
My heart goes out to my fellow officers loved ones in response to this tradgedy, and I hope I never have to feel like I have lost more brothers ever again.
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RandR
Boot Camp
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Posts: 331
Location: CLX
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| Posted: 02 Nov 2007 09:15 PM Post subject: |
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| I can't think of another place where this discussion could have happened. I'm new to Calecia.com, but I like it here. |
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Gryphon1
Moved to SD
Joined: 25 Oct 2004
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Location: El Centro
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| Posted: 02 Nov 2007 10:16 PM Post subject: |
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Welcome, and if you have questions, I may have answers, or at least a little insight.
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Saca_Ranas
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Joined: 26 Oct 2002
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Location: Houston
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| Posted: 04 Nov 2007 09:29 PM Post subject: |
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| Generally that i remember Calecia Cops were pretty laid back i really never got pulled over for a Bs reason. it could be worse they could be handing tickets left & right im surprised that Calecia doens have a quota to meet on tickets or if they do ive never heard about it. |
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Gryphon1
Moved to SD
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| Posted: 08 Nov 2007 10:22 PM Post subject: |
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No quota, we can write as many as we like!
and trust me, the drivers here are horrible. I have to pick the worst of the worst to cite.
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elchrist
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Joined: 09 Oct 2002
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Location: Calecia.com
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| Posted: 09 Nov 2007 08:20 AM Post subject: |
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| Gryphon1 wrote: | No quota, we can write as many as we like!
and trust me, the drivers here are horrible. I have to pick the worst of the worst to cite.
G1 |
Come on G1, not ALL drivers are horrible here in Calexico. Claiming that ALL drivers are horrible would include me. I consider myself an excellent driver (when I'm not on the phone, eating, searching for lost change or applying make-up). |
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Cole
Joined: 24 Oct 2002
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| Posted: 09 Nov 2007 11:10 AM Post subject: |
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| AikiMike wrote: | | "Unjustifiably" is the key word in the whole calculus of citizen contacts, detentions and arrests. If an officer has a "reasonable suspicion", an honest and articulable reason, that criminal activity may be happening, then he may detain an individual for a reasonable period of time to adequately investigate. He must have probable cause, a higher legal standard, that the individual has committed a crime to justify an arrest. An officer can walk up and speak to any citizen at any time, without reasonable suspicion or probable cause as long as the citizen is free to go on about his business and is not detained. And yeah, there are stupid cops and there are lazy cops. We hire people to be police agents and they truly represent a bell curve of performance..[/b] |
This is a good summary of actual law and hopefully citizens from this city will read this and know that they can decline to answer any questions unless they are detained. Though, this thread was created to discuss the inefficiencies and abuse of police discretion lately within this police department.
A previous poster articulated that he was stopped when he was riding his bicycle on his way to the gym. From the police officer’s perspective this conduct created reasonable suspicion that some criminal activity had or would occur. However, riding a bicycle does not create a reasonable suspicion because this is every day citizen conduct that should be respected by local law enforcement. This situation illustrates the intrusion of inept police discretion upon the citizens of this city.
The perception of people I know is that this PD is not represented of a bell curve. If it is, then some officers at the lower end of the spectrum are bumped up the median by the very structure of the bell curve itself. |
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Gryphon1
Moved to SD
Joined: 25 Oct 2004
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Location: El Centro
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| Posted: 04 Dec 2007 10:08 AM Post subject: |
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I would say 90 percent of bicycle stops are based on teh bicyclist violating a vehicle code. This is the reason for the stop. The vehicle code mandates that bicyclist drive their vehicles just as if the were cars, They must ride with the flow of traffic and have proper lighting.. Those are two of the easiest reasons to stop a bicyclist in Calexico.
There are some really obscure ones here also, I'll let you know about. A rider under 18 years of age is required to wear a helmet. Refletors on the pedals must be visible from 300 feet, A rider may not remove his hands from the handle bars while in motion, a white llightmounted to the front of the bike, must be able to be seen 300 feet during hours of darkness. The same for a red light to the rear. They are all in the CVC.
Oh, and another favorite. Failure to stop at posted stop signs. Happens all the time.
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