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Encanto
Dishonorable Discharge
Joined: 10 Mar 2005
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Location: So Cal
  
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It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees.
Emiliano Zapata
Mexican reformer & revolutionary (1877 - 1919) |
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brianb0806
Cholo Nako
Joined: 12 Mar 2007
Posts: 7
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| Posted: 02 May 2007 04:46 PM Post subject: |
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| It's confirmed. You are idiots. If one has time to ponder the situation, aim at a particular location, call your mommy, etc, before one defends himself, then yes, he could have just shot the rock out of his hand. However, the real world gets in the way of your utopia sometimes. And not that anyone will understand, since you haven't as of yet. The T.R. quote was alluding to the fact that we, the comfortable masses sitting in our living rooms, can't judge that man, who was "in the arena." You can critique the video all day and slap each other on the back, the fact is that he performed exactly as he should have. 1 dead criminal, 1 live agent. I'm having fun, how 'bout you guys. By the way, save the rhetoric, you're not on CNN. |
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verbal
Cole
Joined: 24 Oct 2002
Posts: 2466
Location: C-Town
Votes: 9
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| Posted: 03 May 2007 06:42 AM Post subject: |
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| brianb0806 wrote: | | If one has time to ponder the situation, aim at a particular location, call your mommy, etc, before one defends himself, then yes, he could have just shot the rock out of his hand. However, the real world gets in the way of your utopia sometimes. |
The Agent did have to time to ponder and in broad day light.
| brianb0806 wrote: | | And not that anyone will understand, since you haven't as of yet. The T.R. quote was alluding to the fact that we, the comfortable masses sitting in our living rooms, can't judge that man, who was "in the arena." |
The problem with the "I was there, and you weren't there" card, is that this society is not always based on subjective standards, but objective standards. If we follow your subjective view then rapists would never be held accountable for their actions because at the time of the rape he believed she consented and no one else was there. Furthermore, how could we ever hold a doctor accountable for medical malpractice since we as a society are not allowed to judge a man/woman in the arena?
Hey, what the heck, maybe we should reinstate all those cops dismissed for police brutality. I think it’s a little too late, but maybe we should apologize to all the victims of the Nuremberg trials. After all, how could we the comfortable masses sitting in our living rooms judge any other individual?
| brianb0806 wrote: | | the fact is that he performed exactly as he should have. |
One man's opinion, but it’s 12 that count. |
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spic-ole
Coffee
Joined: 10 Oct 2002
Posts: 1654
Location: UC Calecia
Votes: 1
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| Posted: 03 May 2007 08:24 PM Post subject: |
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| verbal wrote: | | brianb0806 wrote: | | If one has time to ponder the situation, aim at a particular location, call your mommy, etc, before one defends himself, then yes, he could have just shot the rock out of his hand. However, the real world gets in the way of your utopia sometimes. |
The Agent did have to time to ponder and in broad day light.
| brianb0806 wrote: | | And not that anyone will understand, since you haven't as of yet. The T.R. quote was alluding to the fact that we, the comfortable masses sitting in our living rooms, can't judge that man, who was "in the arena." |
The problem with the "I was there, and you weren't there" card, is that this society is not always based on subjective standards, but objective standards. If we follow your subjective view then rapists would never be held accountable for their actions because at the time of the rape he believed she consented and no one else was there. Furthermore, how could we ever hold a doctor accountable for medical malpractice since we as a society are not allowed to judge a man/woman in the arena?
Hey, what the heck, maybe we should reinstate all those cops dismissed for police brutality. I think it’s a little too late, but maybe we should apologize to all the victims of the Nuremberg trials. After all, how could we the comfortable masses sitting in our living rooms judge any other individual?
| brianb0806 wrote: | | the fact is that he performed exactly as he should have. |
One man's opinion, but it’s 12 that count. |
Damnit Verbal, don't you get it?
The portable dvd player the agent had in his car was in danger. He had to protect it. Even worse, what would have happened if the rock would have damaged the limited edition copy of "2 Fast 2 Furious".
Seriously though, at the risk of having my hopes and dreams shattered by being called an idiot by brianb0806, it seems pretty clear that this agent overreacted.
I understand the whole "you don't know until you're there" argument, but I guess the actions that follow that statement are the difference between a good and a bad agent.
Anyone hear about the cops in New York that shot some guy because they thought he had a grenade? He was eating a pear.*
*Don't know if this is true, but Dane Cook talks about it in one of his shows. |
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451PC
Back in Calecia
Joined: 05 Apr 2005
Posts: 196
Location: Calexico
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| Posted: 03 May 2007 10:12 PM Post subject: |
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| I have reviewed the video on multiple instances and this is my take on it. The polleros about 5 of them are shown on the video hurling rocks at the agents from the vicinity of the border fence. Agent #1 (furthermost north) who appears to be the first on scene was attacked and pinned on the side of the canal. It appears that one pollero was flanking the agent that was taking cover on the canal. At this point agent #2 (the shooter) appeared on scene, got out of his vehicle and immediately started taking fire (rocked) from the polleros on the south side. At this point agent 2 took cover utilizing his vehicle and appears to have deployed his m4. there is a physical fight between agent 1 and the pollero who was flanking him ( why would this pollero be flanking the agent? he knows he is armed. was he trying to fuck the agent up?) Agent 2 who already retrieved his M4 was probably looking to have effective shooting range from his position to those throwing rocks from the fence. Agent 1 is getting his ass kicked and runs to his vehicle and the pollero follows and is in the process of throwing a rock into the BP vehicle at the agent inside it. Agent 2 shoots with the weapon that he has deployed. Some important facts to remember are that I am hispanic, I dont like the border patrol very much, agent 2 is not going to put down his weapon and fight the pollero (it would be an extremely unsafe situation and stupid) with less lethal power, law enforcement is taugh to shoot for center mass, agent 2 is not a snipper, and the pollero was illegaly in the USA, doing illegal shit, and completely disregarding the orders of the mickey mouse badged agent. SHOOTING JUSTIFIED. It is fucked up that the agents name is all over the fucken place, where can you run and hide in this era of the internet? and how did this video get leaked? BP is pretty good about hidding their shit. |
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Cole
Joined: 24 Oct 2002
Posts: 2466
Location: C-Town
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| Posted: 04 May 2007 11:36 AM Post subject: |
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It really doesn't matter if he was an illegal doing some illegal shit because criminal as citizens are protected by the laws of this nation.
The problem with this video was that it was too brief and that it appears that the agent (shooter) was looking at this individual the whole time. Not once in the video does that agent look south to see if there are any rocks being launched at him.
In the end, the agent will probably have a valid justification for the shooting. The downfall of the deceased is that his buddies were previously and continuing endangering the lives of these agents by throwing rocks at them, even though it appears that the deceased was not aiming at the agent (shooter).
However, if the other undocumented aliens were not throwing rocks at the agents then the agent (shooter) would have a harder time justifying his actions. |
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Hobbit
Back in Calecia
Joined: 17 Jan 2006
Posts: 171
Location: CHALECIA
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| Posted: 06 May 2007 09:43 PM Post subject: |
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| I just saw this video on Fox. It's probably one of the few times Calexico will ever be mentioned on national television. |
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Bloodstar1
Dishonorable Discharge
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
Posts: 351
Location: Calecia Native
Votes: 5
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| Posted: 08 May 2007 08:32 AM Post subject: |
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| There are always other options. Does la migra issue tasers or less lethal shot gun rounds? Or how about peper spray? LAPD used rubber bullits recently at a peaceful rally, so why doesn't the fed government excersise less lethal options? Unless they prefer killing versus taking prisoners like that hatemonger brian0606. And why are deputies investigating this? Shouldn't the FBI take charge here? |
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elchrist
See-thru Afro
Joined: 09 Oct 2002
Posts: 7463
Location: Calecia.com
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| Posted: 08 May 2007 01:12 PM Post subject: |
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| Bloodstar1 wrote: | | Unless they prefer killing versus taking prisoners like that hatemonger brian0606. |
Actually, brianb0806 locked him/herself out of C.com by changing their e-mail address with a nice domain name. We probably won't hear from them again. |
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verbal
Cole
Joined: 24 Oct 2002
Posts: 2466
Location: C-Town
Votes: 9
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| Posted: 15 May 2007 05:33 PM Post subject: |
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| brianb0806 wrote: | If he fails,
at least he fails while daring greatly,
so that he may never be
one of those cold and timid souls,
who know neither victory nor defeat.
- Theodore Roosevelt |
I knew I had this quote some where...Red Dawn's opening credits. |
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