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bfs420 Cholo Nako
Joined: 13 Apr 2003 Posts: 22
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Posted: 14 Nov 2006 03:36 AM Post subject: Bi-National Conference in Mexicali this Saturday |
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I encourage everyone to make it out to this event. This is a bi-national conference in Mexicali in support of the people's movement in Oaxaca and the CND in Mexico. Carlos Reyes, a student leader of the APPO organization, will speak on the current situation in Oaxaca. There will be a discussion with people from both sides of the border on strategies to succeed in Oaxaca; to resist the imposition of the illegitimate president Felipe Calderon nationwide; and to unite with the youth from the United States against the construction of a wall along the U.S. and Mexican border.
The revolution in Mexico is expressed in the struggle for inalienable rights in the community of Oaxaca and against the national government. The revolution is expressed in the national struggle for democracy and against the imposition of politics and political subordinates of North American imperialism. They are struggles that were expressed in the massive mobilizations in the square of Mexico City and the Democratic National Conference, CND. They are struggles that have the power to end the deteriorated institutions of the PRI-PAN alliance.
In order for this revolution to triumph, an international solidarity is necessary especially within the youth, workers of the United States, all well as people who fight against their government and transnational corporations. We have the right to decide our future. We need to organize ourselves in order to conquer it.
SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 18TH. 10A.M.
Location: Pasaje Vallarta 1133 Centro Civico – Sindicato de Maestros del Cobach. In front of RadioRama.
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crazynegro Gots My GED
Joined: 05 Nov 2003 Posts: 141 Location: cal;ecia
    
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Posted: 14 Nov 2006 03:26 PM Post subject: |
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Your fuckin shitting, right? You Fascist Dumb Ass. So your telling me that the recent bombings at those fast food restaurants, businesses, and burning of buildings are going to resolve something? Take your political movement crap out of Calecia and focus on making a better Mexico. No Violence!  |
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bfs420 Cholo Nako
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Posted: 14 Nov 2006 11:33 PM Post subject: |
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Last time I checked, Calecia.com did not have any rules about which political discussions were acceptable for this forum. You might not agree with what is going on in Oaxaca but others might be interested. This is an event going on in our backyard put on by students in Mexicali about the current situation in Oaxaca. If I can’t post on Calecia.com about events in Mexicali, please direct me to the appropriate forum.
So if you’re so informed about making a better Mexico without violence, you should come to our event and spread your views. We are having an open discussion on exactly that topic. The millions of people involved in the resistance in Oaxaca are responding to acts of violence that was inflicted on them by the state. Oaxaca has a long history of political violence, police repression, disappearances, state corruption, paramilitary assassins, and violations of human rights. The situation in Oaxaca is a political movement in response to adverse social conditions that has left poor indigenous communities with no other choice but to stand up and defend their inalienable rights. Please feel free to explain to us and the state of Oaxaca how it is we can achieve a better Mexico in a system of corruption, cooptation, and state inflicted violence. Please feel free to explain to the poor indigenous communities that they should sit down and accept their fate as losers of Neo-Liberal policies. And please explain to me how to justify the deaths, disappearances, and violations of human rights inflicted by the state Oaxaca? Is this not state inflicted violence? Or does violence only apply when citizens reach the boiling point and have no other option but to take to the streets.
Fascist? Far from it. If I’m not mistaken, fascism applies to a state ideology of militarism, nationalism, and anti-communism. I would have preferred being called a comi.
And what the hell does “burning of fast food restaurants, businesses, and burning of buildings” have anything to do with the movement of Oaxaca. Do you read anything other then the IV Press? There is so much more history involved then to reduce the movement in Oaxaca to mere acts of Anarchy.
Once again I invite you to the event Saturday morning so you can share with us how to achieve a better Mexico in the face of state of repression. |
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elchrist See-thru Afro
Joined: 09 Oct 2002 Posts: 7485 Location: Calecia.com
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Posted: 15 Nov 2006 08:29 AM Post subject: |
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| bfs420 wrote: | | Last time I checked, Calecia.com did not have any rules about which political discussions were acceptable for this forum. You might not agree with what is going on in Oaxaca but others might be interested. This is an event going on in our backyard put on by students in Mexicali about the current situation in Oaxaca. If I can’t post on Calecia.com about events in Mexicali, please direct me to the appropriate forum. |
bfs420, you're in the right place. Calecia.com is always open for discussion of any topic. |
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chuco boy Dishonorable Discharge
Joined: 05 Mar 2005 Posts: 360
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Posted: 15 Nov 2006 08:57 AM Post subject: Mexico |
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| Hey BFS420- I applaud the student's interest in current affairs plus Calecia is now a suburb of Mexicali. Calecia is dependent on the economy and well being of the new mother country. Without Chicalones- we would have the economy of Holtville. But damn Mexican government can be so oppressive towards anybody who disagrees with them- Be careful ! |
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elchrist See-thru Afro
Joined: 09 Oct 2002 Posts: 7485 Location: Calecia.com
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Posted: 15 Nov 2006 09:13 AM Post subject: Re: Mexico |
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| chuco boy wrote: | | Hey BFS420- I applaud the student's interest in current affairs plus Calecia is now a suburb of Mexicali. Calecia is dependent on the economy and well being of the new mother country. Without Chicalones- we would have the economy of Holtville. But damn Mexican government can be so oppressive towards anybody who disagrees with them- Be careful ! |
Damn straight.
Although I was completely in shock when DF endorsed gay civil unions. That must of not gone very well with the Papa, with Mexico being the #2 Catholic country in the world (behind Brazil). Is Mexico becoming Pagan?
Not that I support any of this, but for those interesting in at least reading one side of the story about what's happening in the underground of Latin America, check out:
The Narco News Bulletin
http://www.narconews.com
And no, it has nothing to do with drugs... |
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bfs420 Cholo Nako
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Posted: 16 Nov 2006 01:15 AM Post subject: |
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Narco news is a great indy site.
http://www.asambleapopulardeoaxaca.com/
Here's a link for the APPO site of Oaxaca. They have some great videos. You really feel the frustration of the people. |
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egb Bulldogs' QB
Joined: 06 Feb 2005 Posts: 72 Location: San Diego
   
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Posted: 16 Nov 2006 05:46 AM Post subject: |
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I too agree that people must not be opressed and that their voices must be heard, but I am not sure if volience is the best answer. Unfornuntaly, because I will be out of town, I cannot attend this event, but I think that people must come together and see what can be done and see how we can support those who are suffering and opressed without the use of volience.
I say this because I don't believe that two wrongs make a right, but we must look for other venues, other ways in which everyone's voice is heard, just like here at Calecia.com, where everyone can post their views, whether we all agree or not.............. |
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chuco boy Dishonorable Discharge
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Posted: 16 Nov 2006 10:30 AM Post subject: Nonviolence |
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| Civil disobedience. Gandhi, ML King, Caesar Chavez all were successful but Mexico govt. can be ruthless- Perhaps a chingaso or two is needed |
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bfs420 Cholo Nako
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Posted: 16 Nov 2006 10:37 AM Post subject: |
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| I think the use of violence and what is portrayed in the media is often misunderstood. If you listen to what the people say, they are always emphasizing that their movement is non-violent. The APPO, the teachers union SNTE, and the Oaxaceños are advocating for a non-violent resolution. The protesters have not taken up arms and will continue peaceful protests but they are met with constant brute force by the federal police PFP. The PFP is fully equipped with riot gear, tanks, AK 47’s, and bulldozers in which they are trying to end the situation with violence. Instead of trying to meets the demands of the protesters and bring the governor Ulysses Ruiz to justice for the crimes committed against the people of Oaxaca as well as meet the teacher’s demands for higher wages, public funding, and class room resources; the state of Oaxaca and the PAN administration have resorted to violence. So if we want to talk about violence, we need to make it clear who is instigating the use of violence. I mean how do you compare a Molotov cocktail and rocks to AK 47’s and paramilitary assassins? |
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