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locoinclx The Door Rehab
Joined: 05 Apr 2005 Posts: 856 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Posted: 20 Oct 2006 09:44 AM Post subject: |
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| verbal wrote: | | Nope. Re-read the whole thing…what I did generalize were people in general. But if you read correctly, I pointed out that people have not figured out the Calexico community because of their diverse nature. |
Good to know we all understand that there is more and more diversity in Calexico, that way you guys wont keep saying that the only thing that will succeed in Calexico are gas stations and convenience stores…
| verbal wrote: | | According to your strip mall theory I would rent my movie and go to that 7-11, but I don’t because it goes with my theory that every thing in Calexico is at a quick drive away. |
You lost me??? By the way do you know what a “strip mall is” cause there are numerous strip malls in Calexico…
| verbal wrote: | | People ask for variety but what they really want are low prices and convenience because people always end up buying the same stuff over and over again. Think of any restaurant. Let’s pick Outback. Last time I check that menu is extensive, but for the most part I end up getting the same Outback special. I could choose from fish, poultry, salads, burgers and other combos, but bottom line is I get a steak. |
Funny how you picked Outback Steak House, considering it’s not in Calexico
Is there variety in Calexico, think about it? When you want to a sit down restaurant, where do you go? Denny’s, Carrow’s, Hometown Buffet?? Most people I know haven’t been to Hometown in years because it is always crowded with people. So if they want steak in Calexico they have to go where? Applebee’s???
| verbal wrote: | | Geographically speaking, probably, but not economically. |
Calexico could change that if it wanted to….
| verbal wrote: | | Building the mall where they built it made more sense than building it anywhere else in the Valley. Location, location, location. Nothing more nothing less. |
If you theory is correct, then why would the Casino be built in Calexico, rather than near the Freeway? Plus IV Mall is the only property that CBL has built west of the Rockies, Why do you think they would choose El Centro or Imperial Valley. According to you guys, having a mall in the valley is a big risk because the valley doesn’t do malls. By the way, the average person driving from one location through another will not end up going to the malls on the way unless they had originally planned it that way. That’s why when you go to San Diego; you always go to one of the five malls on the Freeway... You don’t go to all five of them.
Location is always key, but it takes determination from the city to bring business to the area… That’s why our loyal Councilmen and women have traveled to china and other parts of the world, to supposedly bring business here, or so they say.
Check it out for yourselves and see how many malls CBL has in the state.
http://www.cblproperties.com/cbl.nsf/properties
| verbal wrote: | Simple. Calexico citizens have not had the purchasing power to dictate any change. While you concentrate on voting, I concentrate on what makes the world go round and round – dollars and cents. Why would I cater to Calecianos if they won’t keep my business a float or turn a profit? Why would I risk erecting a new building if I new I would go out of business regardless of how competent the city council might be?
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If Calexico citizens did not have the purchasing power to dictate change, you would not see all these houses being erected in the city, especially the houses that cost 500k.
You say businesses do not cater to Calecianos, then why is it that no one has built an In N out?? That would make anyone from Imperial Valley, Mexicali and even Yuma come to Calexico to have their burgers… Don’t you think? Calexico can have those things but they need to be lured in. Heck if Indio can have an In N Out why cant Calexico?
| verbal wrote: | | Wal-mart took a chance and look at them now. While many people dislike how they came in and solely blame it on the city council, the main thing is that they got served by the corporation that Wal-mart has become. They have their own city to make deals like these. If anything we had nothing on the table. They did all the bargaining. True, the city can lure new industries with incentives, but at what costs? |
We will never know until the city does lure new industries…
| verbal wrote: | | What the city council should really focus on now are on the foreclosures and how they will affect Calexico. In San Diego foreclosure are up 10 times what they were a year ago. Default notices are triple. I can only imagine what does numbers are here in Calexico. |
Yuma has that problem too… but no one thought of buying houses in Calexico to re sell them at higher prices… Most of the houses that where bought in Calexico where bought by the people who live in them not by some crazy entrepreneur who wanted to make a quick buck. So I do not think foreclosures will affect Calexico to that extent.
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The city made concessions to get the Calexico 10 and Applebee's here. El Centro got their Applebee's without any concessions from the city.
El Pollo Loco is opening up in Calexico because the owner (Carlton Hargrave) lives in Calexico. By the way, Hargrave also owns the El Pollo Loco in El Centro...now, why did he choose to open up in El Centro first? |
Well El Centro surely made concessions when they brought the Mall to the area, and I am pretty sure they made concessions to bring the bowling alley to the area too… so why shouldn’t Calexico keep making concessions???
Those businesses bring jobs and taxes to the area... Why is everyone railing about having things like that here…? Have you guys seen what this topic is about?? The topic is “Calexico moving backwards” and the only thing you guys have been talking about is how Calexico’s citizens don’t want anything to change because they feel that Calexico should stay the way it is…
Yes I agree that Calexico needs to bring business that will suit the standards of its citizens, but it’s not doing that… I am happy that Calexico brought the Theaters for 7 years to this town... because for a generation of kids and Calexican’s, it was our pride and joy. I don’t want Calexico to be an extension of “La Baja”. It wont be until the citizens of Calexico start changing their attitudes towards the city that the city will become prosperous. |
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verbal Cole
Joined: 24 Oct 2002 Posts: 2569 Location: C-Town
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Posted: 20 Oct 2006 06:20 PM Post subject: |
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Gas stations and convenience stores have strived and will continue to do so. That is a given. The thing is, Calexico was not ready to take the next step for many years. Many in this town were not ready to leave their heritage behind and embrace their new American way of life. First, they were worried about resident alien cards and then becoming US citizens. In the whole process they would return back to Mexicali for practically anything. I remember people crossing the border to go shop at Calimax and buy their produce in ‘el hoyo.’ Calexico wasn’t their home yet, but now things have changed. People have grown accustomed to the American way of life and the Mexican way of life seems so distant.
Think of all the times that TacoBell has made a run for the border, but now the one inside Wal-Mart is still there. Maybe times are changing.
Now the Casino, that’s a whole different bird all together. If anything, I would like to know the borders of their sovereign land. I know that in Palm Spring they had clusters of sovereign land and Palm Spring built around them. That is why you see a Casino downtown Palm Springs and another in a few miles east in Cathedral City (Auguascaliente). Plus, the State had some say in this, so I first would like to see how that plays out.
Yes, recently Calexico has joined the nation in the housing boom, but 10/20/30 years ago Calexico wouldn’t have been ready to sustain such a housing increase. I know many families with good jobs could barely afford a 55k dollar house. Calexico wasn’t ready then, and is barely learning to swim. It’s pointless to blame the city for the lack of purchasing power of its citizen.
Plus, many of the new houses were and have been purchased by outsiders (San Diego, LA, and Mexicali). The purchasing power has increased somewhat but the new influx of new income has raised the pricing. That is why it is important to see how these foreclosures affect Calexico. And a lot of people in Calexico will foreclose because they got interest only loans and when that principal kicks in…they will lose their house (even though that is their only house).
In-N-Out is a bad example. You might want to rethink that.
Maybe you’re reading into my words that Calexico citizens don’t want to change because I sure haven’t said that. If I have, let me clarify. The citizens here were not ready for change in such a commercial way. It is hard enough to make a living in this country especially when you’re new to it. It takes time to adapt. Slowly, very slowly Calexico has made progress, but you see that as a movement back to the Geico stone age commercials. I don’t. I accept reality. You are the one that said the following:
| locoinclx wrote: | | Well yes I’m saying that Calecianos want to live in misery by choice |
See, you’re problem is that you see Calexico as an extension of “La baja.” I don’t. I have stated numerous times that in my eyes Calexico has always been the suburbs of Mexicali. |
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bemisnorris Cole
Joined: 16 Oct 2002 Posts: 2096 Location: Not Here
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Posted: 21 Oct 2006 07:11 PM Post subject: |
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| locoinclx wrote: | | You say businesses do not cater to Calecianos, then why is it that no one has built an In N out?? |
Because all In N Out's are corporately owned. |
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locoinclx The Door Rehab
Joined: 05 Apr 2005 Posts: 856 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Posted: 23 Oct 2006 09:49 AM Post subject: |
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In your ongoing bickering over the issue, you have hit some points and missed others completely. Calexico, as the on growing metropolis that it is, continues to lack one essential aspect that most companies, cities and anyone that wants to succeed would take for granted. This is the will to take risk. We continue to talk about restaurants and mostly fast food places because well, Calexico is a fast food city. In the city that I live there is one Jack in the Box with in a 5 mile radius as well as one Mc Donald’s within a five mile radius. Calexico has how many Jack in the Boxes??? How many McDonalds? Then why don’t you think that the analogy of In N’ Out was a bad one? You yourself said that we should rake in business that are part of the ongoing culture of Calexico, why wouldn’t you think that Calexico would benefit from an In N’ Out?? As for the corporate issue... we would be able to benefit from an influx of people who would come to Calexico for burgers meaning they would leave the taxes that the restaurant charges for the city. What does it matter that the In N’ Out corporation doesn’t franchise…
Calexico, to my belief is not ready still to take the next step. What has happened is that corporate America has taken the next step for Calexico and people need to start getting on the ball. The reason why is because if Calexican’s do not get on the ball then they will loose potential businesses to the cities that are on the ball like El Centro, Imperial and even Brawley. Some people still cross the border because many people still own houses in Mexicali and spend the weekends there. Please stop generalizing that calexican’s do not cross the border anymore to go buy groceries and such. The fact that you and some of your neighbors do that does not mean that everyone in Calexico is doing that.
I don’t think there’s a Taco Bell inside Wal-Mart anymore… isn’t it that McDonald’s is now there???
Casino, well your right... Well see what happens. By the way, anyone knows any updates on the casino?
As for the housing issue, well even if foreclosures happen, there are still building more houses so where are all the people coming from… and think about it… even if you can buy a house with a fluctuating interest rate. The mortgage companies would not give you a house that cost 400k if they knew (which they do) that you can only afford a 55k house. Corporate America is not that stupid. Please let me know how I blamed the city about the housing issue?
Calexico’s buying power is solely based on the fact that most people used to go to San Diego to shop and dine and all of the good stuff. How many times have you gone to Yuma, if you gone to Yuma at all and seen people you know from Calexico at the same stores that your shopping in? Why isn’t it that the City or the Chamber for that matter tries to persuade businesses like Marshals or Ross to come to the city if they know that those businesses would boom in a city like Calexico? They do not do that because the City and the Chamber is afraid because in an attempt to lure business like that they would loose the sponsorship that they have from the small businesses that line up downtown. Therefore these stores are going to end up setting shop in El Centro or Imperial, where those cities are doing exactly that… luring businesses into their communities. If Calexico did not have the buying power, the people wouldn’t line up for Starbucks on any given day. “Three dollar coffee? Who would want that, right?”
This is where it gets personal… To you verbal, I am just someone who doesn’t really know how Calexico works. Case in point, you feel that I think Calexico is moving back to the Stone Age. Well let’s see, hmm… Who started this tread??? It sure wasn’t me, and I had no influence over the name of the tread. Therefore I am not the only one that feels that Calexico is moving backwards. Calexico has moved backwards, because for every step Calexico takes forward, it takes two steps back. Why is that well you say that you believe that Calexico is just a suburb of Mexicali. Good analogy, but if your just confirming what I’ve stated all along. Calexico is a “colonia” or suburb or that small speck of people that live in Mexicali, California. What ever you call it you’re still referring to it as part of Mexicali. That’s where the mentality needs to change.
I will not dwell on this because I have previously stated this before on this thread and many other treads, therefore please go back and re-read the thread if you want to read about how Calexican’s need to change their mentality.
I see Calexico as something you probably don’t see. I see it as the town where I grew up. Calexico is my hometown… I talk about Calexico just the same way you and/or many other people that did not grow up in Calexico would talk about your hometown. You can ask anyone that knows me… I know more about Calexico that most of the people who live there, what’s going on, that’s being built and so on. Therefore I take some time to write these in these threads so that the people who actually live there can my perspective. Do I see Calexico going back to the Stone Age?? Well, when I left Calexico, there was a movie theater? What’s going to happen to that? How come no one saw the imminent closing of the movie theater coming? If they did then why didn’t anyone try to stop that from happening? There hasn’t been a new school in Calexico for the past 15 years… In that same time Calexico population has increased by 10,000 people. Wouldn’t you think that the increase in population and the lack of space in Calexico’s schools would alter the academic success that we need for the children of Calexico?
Yes we are taking steps back… no question about it. But hey if you really cared about Calexico, considering you live there, you would go to the City council meeting right? You would attend the School board meetings. You would try to make a difference within the community. I am striving to raise the name of Calexico from the outside. Why don’t you guys do something to raise the name of Calexico from with in. |
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locoinclx The Door Rehab
Joined: 05 Apr 2005 Posts: 856 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Posted: 23 Oct 2006 09:50 AM Post subject: |
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| So does anyone know any new information about the problems "Calexico 10" is having??? |
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elchrist See-thru Afro
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Posted: 23 Oct 2006 10:58 AM Post subject: |
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| locoinclx wrote: | | So does anyone know any new information about the problems "Calexico 10" is having??? |
Don't know any exact details, but the council postponed the land sale, so it's still in limbo, I suppose.
Over the weekend I received an coupon/mailer from the Calexico 10. It looks like they are finally reaching out to the community, which is most likely a tad too late. |
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bemisnorris Cole
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Posted: 23 Oct 2006 06:56 PM Post subject: |
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| locoinclx wrote: | | What does it matter that the In N’ Out corporation doesn’t franchise… |
The fact that they don't franchise is the reason "no one" has built one in Calexico. A former co-worker of mine actually contacted In N Out about opening a franchise in Calexico, but was told that they don't franchise. |
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elchrist See-thru Afro
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Posted: 23 Oct 2006 08:27 PM Post subject: |
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| bemisnorris wrote: | | locoinclx wrote: | | What does it matter that the In N’ Out corporation doesn’t franchise… |
The fact that they don't franchise is the reason "no one" has built one in Calexico. A former co-worker of mine actually contacted In N Out about opening a franchise in Calexico, but was told that they don't franchise. |
That's right. If we want an In-N-Out Burger in the valley, we'll need to have petition with thousands of signatures to show the family biz we want one. And then when they open up and we don't show up, boy, will they have egg on their faces. |
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elchrist See-thru Afro
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Posted: 23 Oct 2006 08:44 PM Post subject: |
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| locoinclx wrote: | | In your ongoing bickering over the issue, you have hit some points and missed others completely. Calexico, as the on growing metropolis that it is, continues to lack one essential aspect that most companies, cities and anyone that wants to succeed would take for granted. This is the will to take risk. We continue to talk about restaurants and mostly fast food places because well, Calexico is a fast food city. In the city that I live there is one Jack in the Box with in a 5 mile radius as well as one Mc Donald’s within a five mile radius. Calexico has how many Jack in the Boxes??? How many McDonalds? Then why don’t you think that the analogy of In N’ Out was a bad one? You yourself said that we should rake in business that are part of the ongoing culture of Calexico, why wouldn’t you think that Calexico would benefit from an In N’ Out?? As for the corporate issue... we would be able to benefit from an influx of people who would come to Calexico for burgers meaning they would leave the taxes that the restaurant charges for the city. What does it matter that the In N’ Out corporation doesn’t franchise… |
It is pretty sad that Calexico has 5-6 JITBs, but I wouldn't necessarily call that backwards progress. The franchise owner knows their market and this market wants yumbo yacks.
Plus all the sales tax, man. That's 8 cents for every two "tacos." It adds up quick!
| locoinclx wrote: | | Calexico, to my belief is not ready still to take the next step. What has happened is that corporate America has taken the next step for Calexico and people need to start getting on the ball. The reason why is because if Calexican’s do not get on the ball then they will loose potential businesses to the cities that are on the ball like El Centro, Imperial and even Brawley. Some people still cross the border because many people still own houses in Mexicali and spend the weekends there. Please stop generalizing that calexican’s do not cross the border anymore to go buy groceries and such. The fact that you and some of your neighbors do that does not mean that everyone in Calexico is doing that. |
I can't find a decent box/bag of granola here in Calexico, so I buy my granola at Wal-Mart in Mex.
Anyway, there's really only is so much retail business which could be sustained by the population. These businesses can't depend on the 2 million paisas across the border either. First off, I'd guess that only 10% can cross over and what if our administration (or a future one) decides to shut the border down or even make crossing a bigger hassle for non-US citizens.
But when it comes down to manufacturing/industrial biz/enterprises, the City of Calexico really has dropped the ball. I personally know of one highly successful business person born in Calexico who was eager to expand and open up shop in their own hometown. How did the city welcome them? They never got back to them... just blew them off, so they opened up shop in El Centro.
What's up with that?
| locoinclx wrote: | | I don’t think there’s a Taco Bell inside Wal-Mart anymore… isn’t it that McDonald’s is now there??? |
I think both. Taco Bell Express and McD's.
| locoinclx wrote: | | Yes we are taking steps back… no question about it. But hey if you really cared about Calexico, considering you live there, you would go to the City council meeting right? You would attend the School board meetings. You would try to make a difference within the community. I am striving to raise the name of Calexico from the outside. Why don’t you guys do something to raise the name of Calexico from with in. |
We need to get organized. Lots of talk, very little walk. |
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locoinclx The Door Rehab
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Posted: 24 Oct 2006 09:14 AM Post subject: |
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| elchrist wrote: |
It is pretty sad that Calexico has 5-6 JITBs, but I wouldn't necessarily call that backwards progress. The franchise owner knows their market and this market wants yumbo yacks. |
I never said that Jack in the Box was a bad thing for Calexico, I was making a point that In N’ Out would profit here because of the high demand of fast food joints in Calexico.
| elchrist wrote: | I can't find a decent box/bag of granola here in Calexico, so I buy my granola at Wal-Mart in Mex.
Anyway, there's really only is so much retail business which could be sustained by the population. These businesses can't depend on the 2 million paisas across the border either. First off, I'd guess that only 10% can cross over and what if our administration (or a future one) decides to shut the border down or even make crossing a bigger hassle for non-US citizens.
But when it comes down to manufacturing/industrial biz/enterprises, the City of Calexico really has dropped the ball. I personally know of one highly successful business person born in Calexico who was eager to expand and open up shop in their own hometown. How did the city welcome them? They never got back to them... just blew them off, so they opened up shop in El Centro. |
Your right about that… It’s our same argument... The only difference between arguments is that I feel that Calexico has gotten more consumers that do want big box stores other than Wal-Mart and F4L. 10 k more people in Calexico and the only thing we can show for it is a Food 4 Less and a Wal-Mart?? I know a lot of snobs in Calexico who wouldn’t be caught dead crossing the border to buy groceries or buying them at California Market. Plus if we do want more people to take interest in working and living in Calexico we have to “reel them in”. That means that we need to offer potential residents the things that they want in a community, like big box stores and other businesses that cater to them. Like you said, Calexico is not on the ball with that.
| elchrist wrote: | | I think both. Taco Bell Express and McD's. |
Thanks for letting me know…
| elchrist wrote: | | We need to get organized. Lots of talk, very little walk. |
This is where I can help from far away but I can’t do the walk… Sadly I don’t live there, but I sure as hell can help you guys out! I’ve created a new thread “What would you like to be built in Calexico?”
http://www.calecia.com/discussions/viewtopic.php?p=29050#29050
This thread can be used to create a brainstorm of ideas… and if there is a new business, park or any type of venue that looks like it’s a common thing in the thread, we can contact that business or contact city hall and the chamber of commerce to let them know what the members of Calecia.com think would be a good idea to build in Calexico. This is how far I can take it… who would like to take the next step.
Hey maybe a petition for an In N’ Out from different people wouldn’t be a bad idea right  |
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