|
|
| Author |
Message |
chuco boy
Dishonorable Discharge
Joined: 05 Mar 2005
Posts: 369
  
Votes: 4
|
 Posted: 17 Oct 2006 10:30 PM Post subject: Brole |
 |
|
| Nobody uses the Brole airport and Brole population is not growing because they are far away from Mexicali. Just because they get a grant- does not mean Brole will be the future hub. It will be the Calexico-Heber-EC corridor- the great north barrio of Mexicali. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Sponsored Links
|
|
|
elchrist
See-thru Afro
Joined: 09 Oct 2002
Posts: 7649
Location: Calecia.com
Votes: 14
|
| Posted: 18 Oct 2006 07:59 AM Post subject: |
|
|
| locoinclx wrote: | | You say that the reason why El Sol Markets and AM/PM are doing so well is because it is what most people in Calexico are used to… Well I will let you know that most people go to El Sol Market because they don’t want to deal with all the Mexicali people who shop Wal-Mart and Food 4 Less. El Sol Market is more expensive than both places and yet it still stands. People choose El Sol because they forget that if they really wanted to make a difference in Calexico they would try to persuade the City to look for different companies both local and non local to come and set up shop in Calexico. |
I don't understand why you're knocking on Sol Market. Sol is a great little store for us. It's the equivilent of an abarrote in Mexicali, but with some of the luxuries of the USA. The one on Highway 98 was a perfect example. I haven't stopped into it since it was remodeled, but I imagine it's like the one on Andrade (Meadows) Ave. now.
Of course it's going to be more expensive than national/regional supermarkets. They don't have that kind of buying power. But people, especially the fileros, are loyal to it since it embraces part of our Mexican culture. If Sol were do go out of biz it would be a sad day in Calexico history. A bigger impact than Super Shopping was and ever could be.
| locoinclx wrote: | | By 2010 we will surpass El Centro as the most populated city in the County. Yet El Centro is the Center of everything as of right now. |
Exactly, El Centro is basically the center of the Imperial Valley so it is usually a better decision on behalf of companies to centralize themselves there. The IV Mall needed to be centralized in the valley and IMO that is why it ultimately was built there (politics aside).
| locoinclx wrote: | | We have proven that if we offer good services, people from all over the county will come and spend their dollars here. |
Fact: The majority of people from north county WILL NOT travel down to Calexico because it's too much like Mexicali. Ironically, that's why I like/love this town.
| locoinclx wrote: | | Sorry to say but Calexico is not a small town. The mentality of it being a small town is what it has stuck in the mud. The mentality needs to change into a town that is willing to expand and bring all of the services to its community. Calexico needs to embrace the change that it is coming to it. If it doesn’t then Calexico will end up becoming just like most border towns that need the help of its neighbors across the border to survive. |
I've been getting my ass laughed at by everyone I've told Calexico should have already been a mecca. This place has the stigma of being corrupt, backwards, etc. that many can't seem to see past these attributes and realize CX can be a powerhouse in the valley. Calexico is like El Tri: Ya merito...
| locoinclx wrote: | | I agree about everything you said regarding the business of Calexico and the small steps that it needs to take. The one thing that needs to be stated is that for every opportunity that Calexico has to get something, it will always be taken away by El Centro. Calexico need to figure out what it wants… Does it want to become the San Luis and the Nogales towns or does it want to become an El Paso type town. |
Never been to El Paso, but Calexico will become that, although hopefully without the Texas mentality.
| locoinclx wrote: | | The Mall went to El Centro, now the Brawley airport is becoming a good hub for people to land instead of Calexico. What are the people of Calexico willing to give up next? Choice, yes… because for politics, especially in small towns, the Citizens always have a choice… Its called voting for change. |
The Brawley airport got a grant because it was in bad shape. Everything that's in near non-operational condition eventually gets fixed. It happens that Brawley management pushed for a grant and received it. Calexico can do the same.
BTW, this news is over a month old:
http://www.ivdaily.com/2006/09/14/brawley-municipal-airport-receives-grant-for-enhancements/
The Calexico airport will never go away. I'm certain it will get more funding in the future for repairs and expansion. Out-of-town pilots fly into town to fuel up (and eat at their beloved Rosa's) before heading out to Mexico, just like all the San Felipe tourists stop by to gas up before crossing the border.
Calexico: Pit stop to Mexico. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
locoinclx
The Door Rehab
Joined: 05 Apr 2005
Posts: 852
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Votes: 5
|
| Posted: 18 Oct 2006 09:34 AM Post subject: |
|
|
| elchrist wrote: | | I don't understand why you're knocking on Sol Market. |
Re-read my whole thing, I am not knocking down El Sol Markets, heck I like their little shops… What I am saying is that people tend to generalize the citizens of Calexico. Case in point… | verbal wrote: | | people will always love convenience. Why do you think 7-11’s and Am/Pm’s strike gold. Actually, that’s why Sol Market have done so well. They have catered to the masses. |
I don’t think that anyone from the east side has gone to AM/PM in years. Hell when was the last time you went to a 7/11??? I sure as hell haven’t gone in like a year or two. My whole notion is that people want variety, if you don’t believe me then go check out how many people from Calexico go buy food at Albertsons and Costco. El Sol Market has always been the local shop to go buy stuff that you didn’t buy at the other major supermarkets in EC. Or more convenient stuff likes milk and such. But how often do you see people buying all their groceries at El Sol. Do not generalize all Calexico Citizens with yourself and please don’t tell me that I like to bash El Sol when I am not bashing it. By the way El Sol will never close up shop because it will always be a convenient store where you can go buy some vegetables, meats and the occasional milk.
| elchrist wrote: | | Exactly, El Centro is basically the center of the Imperial Valley so it is usually a better decision on behalf of companies to centralize themselves there. The IV Mall needed to be centralized in the valley and IMO that is why it ultimately was built there (politics aside). |
Wrong… El Centro is not the center of imperial valley, Imperial is… most of the small towns north of the valley are usually around 20 miles from the mall, If they really wanted the mall to be in the center of imperial valley they would have done the mall over in imperial, not at the border of El Centro and Heber. You see the mall was built there because El Centro fought hard for that. El Centro has a development machine that can only be compared to the development that Yuma is spearheading. Calexico has no machine like that, I know that Target was supposed to be built in Calexico, but it ended up in El Centro because El Centro decided to create a network to pull all the new developments to its city. This is why El Centro has gotten so much development.
| elchrist wrote: | | Fact: The majority of people from north county WILL NOT travel down to Calexico because it's too much like Mexicali. Ironically, that's why I like/love this town. |
Fact: When Calexico 10 opened and only until a year before the mall opened, you would see people from all over the valley come to the theaters… I don’t think Calexico had ever seen such an influx of white people since the 1960’s.
Why would you want Calexico to be just like “La Baja”, or “Palaco”?? I don’t get that..
| elchrist wrote: | | I've been getting my ass laughed at by everyone I've told Calexico should have already been a mecca. This place has the stigma of being corrupt, backwards, etc. that many can't seem to see past these attributes and realize CX can be a powerhouse in the valley. Calexico is like El Tri: Ya merito... |
Why are you preaching to the choir??? The question should be “what can be done to stop the corruption in Calexico?” “How can we make the city more accountable?” Every government has some sort of corruption, but it won’t be until the citizens of Calexico decide to stop it, when Calexico will grow.
And how fast has Calexico grown with that corruption? Here are some facts...
Calexico’s population grew by 32% with in the last 5 years.
http://www.city-data.com/city/Calexico-California.html
Compared to El Centro’s population growth of 4.8 %
[url] http://www.city-data.com/city/El-Centro-California.html[/url]
and Imperial’s population growth of 28.4%
http://www.city-data.com/city/Imperial-California.html
Why do you think restaurants like IHOP and El Pollo Loco are setting up shop here? These businesses are coming to town with out any warrant from the city or other source. How many businesses not just commercial, do you think would come to Calexico if the city actually tries to bring them to town? I agree with you that Calexico should have already been a Mecca, but let’s not dwell in the past… What can be done to make Calexico a Mecca?
| elchrist wrote: | | The Brawley airport got a grant because it was in bad shape. Everything that's in near non-operational condition eventually gets fixed. It happens that Brawley management pushed for a grant and received it. Calexico can do the same. |
When was the last time they renovated the Calexico Airport? You think that if you owned an airplane and you had the option to land in an airport with deteriorating facilities or land at a brand new airport with better facilities just 30 miles north of the location… what would you choose??? What would most people choose for that matter?? I’m not saying that Brawley’s new and shiny airport will be the downfall of Calexico’s airport, but it will definitely take some business away…
| elchrist wrote: | | Calexico: Pit stop to Mexico. |
Calexico has and will for ever be to an extent, the pit stop to Mexico. But why is it that Calexico up to know... Nearing its 100th anniversary has been a town designed to just accommodate the people passing by. Calexico should be only to a small extent being the pit stop to Mexico, but nothing more than a small percentage. Calexico needs to turn to its citizens and accommodate them.
Calexico’s Citizens should always come FIRST and then who ever drive’s by second. Up to today, it has always been everyone else first and Calexico citizens second. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
elchrist
See-thru Afro
Joined: 09 Oct 2002
Posts: 7649
Location: Calecia.com
Votes: 14
|
| Posted: 18 Oct 2006 10:01 AM Post subject: |
|
|
| locoinclx wrote: | | I don’t think that anyone from the east side has gone to AM/PM in years. Hell when was the last time you went to a 7/11??? I sure as hell haven’t gone in like a year or two. My whole notion is that people want variety, if you don’t believe me then go check out how many people from Calexico go buy food at Albertsons and Costco. El Sol Market has always been the local shop to go buy stuff that you didn’t buy at the other major supermarkets in EC. Or more convenient stuff likes milk and such. But how often do you see people buying all their groceries at El Sol. Do not generalize all Calexico Citizens with yourself and please don’t tell me that I like to bash El Sol when I am not bashing it. By the way El Sol will never close up shop because it will always be a convenient store where you can go buy some vegetables, meats and the occasional milk. |
I'm E. Calexico (although my heart is in W. Calexico  ) and I want variety. Guess who gives me variety? Wal-Mart.
Wal-Mart offers more selection of products, organic foods, etc. If Wal-Mart was a supermarket alone, I'd still continue to shop there. And guess what? It's cheaper.
Don't generalize that E. Calexico is the rich side and only wants to shop at Albertsons and Costco. I shop at WalsMart. I rarely go to Costco and Albertsons or Vons and it has nothing to do with it being in El Centro. This said, I still would want an Albertsons/Vons/Ralphs/etc. in Calexico because that only gives me even more variety.
I'm pretty sure what I want is the same the majority wants.
And as for shopping at 7-Eleven or AM/PM, I do it too... when it's convenient for me. Hence the category convenience store.
| locoinclx wrote: | | Wrong… El Centro is not the center of imperial valley, Imperial is… most of the small towns north of the valley are usually around 20 miles from the mall, If they really wanted the mall to be in the center of imperial valley they would have done the mall over in imperial, not at the border of El Centro and Heber. You see the mall was built there because El Centro fought hard for that. El Centro has a development machine that can only be compared to the development that Yuma is spearheading. Calexico has no machine like that, I know that Target was supposed to be built in Calexico, but it ended up in El Centro because El Centro decided to create a network to pull all the new developments to its city. This is why El Centro has gotten so much development. |
If I'm wrong, then so be it. Big freakin' deal. But El Centro is quickly thought of as the center of IV, hence the name!
| locoinclx wrote: | Fact: When Calexico 10 opened and only until a year before the mall opened, you would see people from all over the valley come to the theaters… I don’t think Calexico had ever seen such an influx of white people since the 1960’s.
Why would you want Calexico to be just like “La Baja”, or “Palaco”?? I don’t get that.. |
Those "white people" were the ones who did not think of CX as MX.
Did you notice how quick they sped off up the 111 after their movie finished?
| locoinclx wrote: | | elchrist wrote: | | I've been getting my ass laughed at by everyone I've told Calexico should have already been a mecca. This place has the stigma of being corrupt, backwards, etc. that many can't seem to see past these attributes and realize CX can be a powerhouse in the valley. Calexico is like El Tri: Ya merito... |
Why are you preaching to the choir??? The question should be “what can be done to stop the corruption in Calexico?” “How can we make the city more accountable?” Every government has some sort of corruption, but it won’t be until the citizens of Calexico decide to stop it, when Calexico will grow.
And how fast has Calexico grown with that corruption? Here are some facts...
Calexico’s population grew by 32% with in the last 5 years.
http://www.city-data.com/city/Calexico-California.html
Compared to El Centro’s population growth of 4.8 %
[url] http://www.city-data.com/city/El-Centro-California.html[/url]
and Imperial’s population growth of 28.4%
http://www.city-data.com/city/Imperial-California.html
Why do you think restaurants like IHOP and El Pollo Loco are setting up shop here? These businesses are coming to town with out any warrant from the city or other source. How many businesses not just commercial, do you think would come to Calexico if the city actually tries to bring them to town? I agree with you that Calexico should have already been a Mecca, but let’s not dwell in the past… What can be done to make Calexico a Mecca? |
Mecca Lekka Hi Mecca Hiney Ho.
We need a genie... or a qualified business development city employee.
| locoinclx wrote: | | When was the last time they renovated the Calexico Airport? You think that if you owned an airplane and you had the option to land in an airport with deteriorating facilities or land at a brand new airport with better facilities just 30 miles north of the location… what would you choose??? What would most people choose for that matter?? I’m not saying that Brawley’s new and shiny airport will be the downfall of Calexico’s airport, but it will definitely take some business away… |
Let's find out how much revenue the Calexico municipal airport generates and then we can dwell on it.
| locoinclx wrote: | | elchrist wrote: | | Calexico: Pit stop to Mexico. |
Calexico has and will for ever be to an extent, the pit stop to Mexico. But why is it that Calexico up to know... Nearing its 100th anniversary has been a town designed to just accommodate the people passing by. Calexico should be only to a small extent being the pit stop to Mexico, but nothing more than a small percentage. Calexico needs to turn to its citizens and accommodate them.
Calexico’s Citizens should always come FIRST and then who ever drive’s by second. Up to today, it has always been everyone else first and Calexico citizens second. |
Proof? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
elchrist
See-thru Afro
Joined: 09 Oct 2002
Posts: 7649
Location: Calecia.com
Votes: 14
|
| Posted: 18 Oct 2006 10:04 AM Post subject: |
|
|
| locoinclx wrote: | | Why are you preaching to the choir??? The question should be “what can be done to stop the corruption in Calexico?” “How can we make the city more accountable?” Every government has some sort of corruption, but it won’t be until the citizens of Calexico decide to stop it, when Calexico will grow. |
I've been waiting for a list of corruption claims for years. Is it all talk or fact? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Sponsored Links
|
|
|
locoinclx
The Door Rehab
Joined: 05 Apr 2005
Posts: 852
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Votes: 5
|
| Posted: 18 Oct 2006 10:37 AM Post subject: |
|
|
| elchrist wrote: | | Don't generalize that E. Calexico is the rich side and only wants to shop at Albertsons and Costco. I shop at WalsMart |
You are generalizing again… You are saying that I’m saying that everyone in the east side wants an Albertsons and Costco… I never said that, but what I will say is that there are a lot of people who don’t go to Wal-Mart because of how crowded that place is… Therefore there’s a lack of variety in Calexico.. You just nailed it… people want variety and well, they are not getting it.
| elchrist wrote: | | If I'm wrong, then so be it. Big freakin' deal. But El Centro is quickly thought of as the center of IV, hence the name! |
Considering that you just pointed out my point. I will not dwell on this issue...
| elchrist wrote: | Those "white people" were the ones who did not think of CX as MX.
Did you notice how quick they sped off up the 111 after their movie finished? |
Yeah the people from the rest of the valley where speeding out was because there isn’t anything else to do in Calexico… What would they do? Applebee’s? The reason why malls are so successful is because they offer a variety of entertainment options all in one place… That’s why the rest of the valley sped off so fast because they where affraid of the Chicalones and the Calecianos... They sped off so fast because there wasnt anything else to do here...
Heck, I was doing the same thing… and I lived there.
| elchrist wrote: | Mecca Lekka Hi Mecca Hiney Ho.
We need a genie... or a qualified business development city employee. |
People think this is rocket science but it really isn’t. Considering that you’re making fun of the issue... I would presume that you know better than anyone that there are no qualified development city employees in Calexico… So maybe a genie wouldn’t be soo bad…
| elchrist wrote: | | Let's find out how much revenue the Calexico municipal airport generates and then we can dwell on it. |
Who would know the answer to this?
What are the two areas that the city dwells on?? 1: downtown and 2: Imperial Ave. Those two areas are used primarily by whom??? Why hasn’t the city tried to create more development in other areas? What ever happened to the skate park that the city was thinking about building? What about the whole arts commission thing? Who is doing anything at City Hall to further advance projects that would benefit the city?? When was the last time they repaved your street?? Or that the park in your neighborhood had grass??? The council members have spent more time dwelling on issues like the lining of the All-American canal which I could care less if they lined or not because the water will end up going to San Diego… than on a hospital or the Carnegie library. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
verbal
Cole
Joined: 24 Oct 2002
Posts: 2552
Location: C-Town
Votes: 9
|
| Posted: 18 Oct 2006 06:00 PM Post subject: |
|
|
| locoinclx wrote: | What I am saying is that people tend to generalize the citizens of Calexico. Case in point… | verbal wrote: | | people will always love convenience. Why do you think 7-11’s and Am/Pm’s strike gold. Actually, that’s why Sol Market have done so well. They have catered to the masses. |
I don’t think that anyone from the east side has gone to AM/PM in years.
|
Nope. Re-read the whole thing…what I did generalize were people in general. But if you read correctly, I pointed out that people have not figured out the Calexico community because of their diverse nature.
Anyway, why would anyone from the East side go all the way to Am/Pm when they have a Sol Market, Texaco, and a Circle K? Though, I could some people making the drive over if they really like the 3 for $2 deal. Good stuff.
| locoinclx wrote: | Hell when was the last time you went to a 7/11??? I sure as hell haven’t gone in like a year or two.
|
Again, let me reiterate why small towns don’t need malls because every thing is around the corner. First, I used to frequent 7-11 quiet often. We buy our milk there and I love them nachos. Sometimes I rent a video at Video 2000, and then drive to 7-11 on Imperial for their nachos and then drive back to the West side of town. Why, because every thing is convenient in this town. According to your strip mall theory I would rent my movie and go to that 7-11, but I don’t because it goes with my theory that every thing in Calexico is at a quick drive away.
| locoinclx wrote: | My whole notion is that people want variety, if you don’t believe me then go check out how many people from Calexico go buy food at Albertsons and Costco.
|
People ask for variety but what they really want are low prices and convenience because people always end up buying the same stuff over and over again. Think of any restaurant. Let’s pick Outback. Last time I check that menu is extensive, but for the most part I end up getting the same Outback special. I could choose from fish, poultry, salads, burgers and other combos, but bottom line is I get a steak.
| locoinclx wrote: | Wrong… El Centro is not the center of imperial valley, Imperial is…
|
Geographically speaking, probably, but not economically.
| locoinclx wrote: | You see the mall was built there because El Centro fought hard for that.
|
Building the mall where they built it made more sense than building it anywhere else in the Valley. Location, location, location. Nothing more nothing less. I doubt that the big players wanted a mall to be built in the middle of El Centro or in the geographic place of Imperial. They needed an area that would be convenient to the rest of the Valley, including Mexicali. Interstate 8 lured the developers more than anything. It is easier to sell the notion that people from EC can easily get there, Brawley will hop on the 111, so will Calexico and Mexicali. Though the area of IVC or north of Calexico could be viable locations they where in a disadvantage to Interstate 8. Because of Arizona and San Diego tourist will account for a portion of buyers. People from Arizona are less likely to divert their driving destination even 5 miles North or South to go to a mall, but if they see it on there way, they will be more incline to stop. Thus, the location did more convincing to the big players than anything. More shoppers less risk. I’m not saying that local politicians weren’t at fault, but just in a huge disadvantage.
| locoinclx wrote: | Calexico’s Citizens should always come FIRST and then who ever drive’s by second. Up to today, it has always been everyone else first and Calexico citizens second
|
Simple. Calexico citizens have not had the purchasing power to dictate any change. While you concentrate on voting, I concentrate on what makes the world go round and round – dollars and cents. Why would I cater to Calecianos if they won’t keep my business a float or turn a profit? Why would I risk erecting a new building if I new I would go out of business regardless of how competent the city council might be?
Wal-mart took a chance and look at them now. While many people dislike how they came in and solely blame it on the city council, the main thing is that they got served by the corporation that Wal-mart has become. They have their own city to make deals like these. If anything we had nothing on the table. They did all the bargaining. True, the city can lure new industries with incentives, but at what costs?
What the city council should really focus on now are on the foreclosures and how they will affect Calexico. In San Diego foreclosure are up 10 times what they were a year ago. Default notices are triple. I can only imagine what does numbers are here in Calexico. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
chuco boy
Dishonorable Discharge
Joined: 05 Mar 2005
Posts: 369
Votes: 4
|
| Posted: 18 Oct 2006 07:36 PM Post subject: Retail-Location |
|
|
VERBAL was correct about major shopping centers being located off major freeways. Drive to San Diego- Interstate 8-Grossmont Ctr; Fashion Valley; Mission Valley Go Interstate 5/805- North-UTC/Carlsbad Factory OUtlet
Go 10 West- Cabazon Outlet; Ontario Mall. It's location....off the major freeway. It's not about chamber and city officials having carne asada events for major retail developers . It's Wall Street and Corporate America making sophisticated decisions. City officials and chamber people do not wield any special type influence with these major wall street corporations.
Foreclosures are great "enemas" for the real estate markets. Bargains galore on prior overpriced houses. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
bemisnorris
Cole
Joined: 16 Oct 2002
Posts: 2095
Location: Not Here
Votes: 1
|
| Posted: 18 Oct 2006 07:40 PM Post subject: |
|
|
| locoinclx wrote: | | Why do you think restaurants like IHOP and El Pollo Loco are setting up shop here? These businesses are coming to town with out any warrant from the city or other source. How many businesses not just commercial, do you think would come to Calexico if the city actually tries to bring them to town? |
The city made concessions to get the Calexico 10 and Applebee's here. El Centro got their Applebee's without any concessions from the city.
El Pollo Loco is opening up in Calexico because the owner (Carlton Hargrave) lives in Calexico. By the way, Hargrave also owns the El Pollo Loco in El Centro...now, why did he choose to open up in El Centro first?*
*My sources aren't the most reliable, but after some digging it appears to be true. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
elchrist
See-thru Afro
Joined: 09 Oct 2002
Posts: 7649
Location: Calecia.com
Votes: 14
|
| Posted: 18 Oct 2006 09:06 PM Post subject: |
|
|
| bemisnorris wrote: | | El Pollo Loco is opening up in Calexico because the owner (Carlton Hargrave) lives in Calexico. By the way, Hargrave also owns the El Pollo Loco in El Centro...now, why did he choose to open up in El Centro first?* |
And Hometown Buffet, which he also owns, is only a skip away from the EPL in Calexico. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Sponsored Links
|
|
|
|
|
