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revramrod
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| Mars wrote: | | elchrist you hit the nail on the head. Young teachers start off excited but then get discourged because they realize they can make more cash being in the fucking border patrol |
Actually, I believe Verbal hit the nail on the head when he said:
| verbal wrote: | | If you go into teaching you should know it's not for the money. Teachers are grossly underpaid, and every one knows that. Thus, if you go into teaching don't start complaining. |
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spic-ole
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| Posted: 12 Dec 2002 08:13 PM Post subject: |
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| chainsmokinmonkey wrote: | | ...i was just recently told by a cousin in mexicali that a 1st grader down there is already learning multiplication. they sure as hell aren't here. |
That is a good point. Not only do they teach you mathematics at an earlier level in Mex, but science too. And hey, in the foreign language section, these kids kick ass at spanish. About the only thing they really suck at is English.
I remember when I was in high school, chicalones sucked, but you could always go to them with help in math and science. They do pretty well in that.
I'll tell you another thing about the kids from mex, they try the hell of a lot harder than the rest of the kids. A lot harder than I ever tried. Per capita, more of them probably go more to college in the U.S. than the american kids (in CHS) too.
They also immediately get sent to the esl classes and they seem to do pretty well there too. I don't think these kids are to blame. They try hard (most of them), and they know they have to do well because even if 20 of them live to a studio, they don't want to live there forever. |
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amp
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| Posted: 14 Dec 2002 02:27 PM Post subject: |
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It's more than $30K a year. More like $35K. And that's only for 9 months worth of work. Add another 3 months of work at the same pay and you get between $50K and $60K.
What do you want? Teachers to get paid $50K+ for 9 months of work?
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Dude, now you're just arbitrarilly inventing numbers. Teachers get paid over a 10 month period. If they work summer school, they get paid an hourly rate that is lower than what a beginning teacher's salary, broken down into hourly wages, would be. Summer school lasts six weeks. It's only 4 hours a day, also. Teaching summer school is the equivalent of getting a part-time job. The workload, though, is just about as much as during the year. In general, teachers don't like and don't want to teach summer school, but do it out of necessity. A teacher who has been teaching for 20+ years, ends up getting paid about a third of their regular monthly salary for each of the two months, for teaching summer school. |
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amp
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| Posted: 14 Dec 2002 02:49 PM Post subject: |
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The really good teachers are not the ones picketing. Many don't want to strike. They have to do what the union says. Anybody on this thread who said that all the teachers who called in sick are assholes, or are bad teachers, doesn't know what he/she is talking about.
I went to CHS. I had some great teachers and 2-3 bad ones. I agree that CHS is not anywhere near the level the should be. But, to make generalizations because of a few very bad teachers is wrong.
This thing needs to start at the administration level. They should not hire people unless they are qualified. The fact that someone is the cousin of the superintendant should not be enough to become a teacher. If someone is not doing their job, that person should get fired. |
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elchrist
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| Posted: 15 Dec 2002 10:21 AM Post subject: |
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| amp wrote: | | elchrist wrote: |
It's more than $30K a year. More like $35K. And that's only for 9 months worth of work. Add another 3 months of work at the same pay and you get between $50K and $60K.
What do you want? Teachers to get paid $50K+ for 9 months of work?
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Dude, now you're just arbitrarilly inventing numbers. Teachers get paid over a 10 month period. If they work summer school, they get paid an hourly rate that is lower than what a beginning teacher's salary, broken down into hourly wages, would be. Summer school lasts six weeks. It's only 4 hours a day, also. Teaching summer school is the equivalent of getting a part-time job. The workload, though, is just about as much as during the year. In general, teachers don't like and don't want to teach summer school, but do it out of necessity. A teacher who has been teaching for 20+ years, ends up getting paid about a third of their regular monthly salary for each of the two months, for teaching summer school. |
They get paid more hourly for summer school. This is what I've been told by numerous teachers. I can understand this rate is lower for teachers who've been working for over 20 years, but who says their restricted to working summer school only? |
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elchrist
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| Posted: 15 Dec 2002 10:37 AM Post subject: |
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| amp wrote: | | The really good teachers are not the ones picketing. Many don't want to strike. They have to do what the union says. Anybody on this thread who said that all the teachers who called in sick are assholes, or are bad teachers, doesn't know what he/she is talking about. |
Could this be because the really good teachers are the only ones that actually care about their job and the results they produce? I could understand going on strike for unworkable conditions, but not when you have a decent salary. Salary increases should always be based on results.
| amp wrote: | | I went to CHS. I had some great teachers and 2-3 bad ones. I agree that CHS is not anywhere near the level the should be. But, to make generalizations because of a few very bad teachers is wrong. |
There are more bad teachers than that. The majority of teachers are good/great teachers (I wouldn't be able to say a percentage, since all of them didn't educate me), but there are enough bad ones to gripe about.
Maybe it's the counselors who aren't doing a good job either by not placing students in enough good classes (and this is probably another different discussion). I know I had great teachers to start of with, but then they started placing me with some of the crappiest (meaning uneffective) and asshole-ic teachers I've ever had (that includes Mrs. Aguiņaga, my first grade teacher).
| amp wrote: | | This thing needs to start at the administration level. They should not hire people unless they are qualified. The fact that someone is the cousin of the superintendant should not be enough to become a teacher. If someone is not doing their job, that person should get fired. |
I completely agree with you here.  |
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bemisnorris
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| Posted: 15 Dec 2002 10:41 AM Post subject: |
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| Mars wrote: | | Spic-ole, let me break it down to you this way. Students know that test scores don't affect their own grade and shit. So they don't give a fuck how they do on them. Come you fucking remember the CTBS test, the day you found out it didn't really effect your grade you stoped re-reading the fucking questions you just did it to get it done with. |
Maybe the schools should also make these types of tests figure into the students' grades.
| Mars wrote: | | Another thing, if you know anything about teaching you know that teaching to get good test scores doesn't help out anyone. It just makes it easier for the state to see how you are doing! Think about it if you want good test scores you have to get rid of other class to have classes that teach how to pass a fucking test! It's already happening with the exit exam. |
You should never teach the test, but you can and SHOULD teach the subjects that are found on the tests.
| Mars wrote: | | Finally, you do realize the amount of people who come from mexicali and don't speak english well, they take the same test. Of course it's going to drop the fucking scores. |
Poor fucking teachers! It IS certain teachers jobs to teach non-Enlish speakers how to read, speak, and comprehend English!
And that my friend is the point we are trying to make you understand. |
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chainsmokinmonkey
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| Posted: 16 Dec 2002 12:13 PM Post subject: |
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| amp wrote: | The really good teachers are not the ones picketing. Many don't want to strike. They have to do what the union says. Anybody on this thread who said that all the teachers who called in sick are assholes, or are bad teachers, doesn't know what he/she is talking about.
This thing needs to start at the administration level. They should not hire people unless they are qualified. The fact that someone is the cousin of the superintendant should not be enough to become a teacher. If someone is not doing their job, that person should get fired. |
first off, the teachers don't have to do a goddamn thing that their union tells them. they get to vote on what goes on in that union. i really doubt that the union heads really care about the people they represent. they get a good pay just for representing the union, so what should they care? sure they could get fined by the union, but who cares. it's about doing what's right and not popular. the popular thing to do was call in sick, leaving thousands of kids in the dark without a glimmer of hope in their future. if there were teachers that didn't call in sick, i applaud them and their effort to show others what is right.
the entire administration should be fired and rebuilt. again, do what's right and not popular |
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Mars
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| chainsmokinmonkey wrote: |
the popular thing to do was call in sick, leaving thousands of kids in the dark without a glimmer of hope in their future.
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sounds like something that would happen if Frodo doesn't get rid of that fucking ring |
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spic-ole
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| Posted: 16 Dec 2002 12:49 PM Post subject: |
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| chainsmokinmonkey wrote: | | first off, the teachers don't have to do a goddamn thing that their union tells them. |
What? You ever worked at a place with a Union?
| they get to vote on what goes on in that union. i really doubt that the union heads really care about the people they represent. |
So what? That's the real world.
| the entire administration should be fired and rebuilt. again, do what's right and not popular |
Yeah, I nominate you to run the joint. |
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