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elchrist See-thru Afro
Joined: 09 Oct 2002 Posts: 7670 Location: Calecia.com
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Posted: 07 Dec 2005 09:27 AM Post subject: Foreign Fee Free Credit Cards |
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I'm not sure how many of you are aware of the following, so if you're not read the fine print of your terms & agreements for your credit card.
Most credit cards charge you an additional fee whenever you make a purchase outside of the United States. It's generally referred to as a "foreign charge" or "foreign fee," which is absolute nonsense and is unnecessary. The fee ranges anywhere from 1% to 3% on top of the actual cost of sale and it's automatic.
Being so close to Mexico, this should be something that we should all be aware about. Most of us go out to Mexicali to shop, eat, or "party" and there are times when you have to use your Visa, MasterCard, or American Express card. Well when you do, your credit card company is most likely charging you a foreign fee. Yeah, it sucks, but that's the way credit card companies are making money off you nowadays.
Using your Visa check/debit card doesn't appear to incur the foreign fee, so I tend to use it more often, but I wouldn't be surprised that banks will start to charge you a fee in the future in hopes to make an extra buck off their customers.
So right now I'm looking for a new credit card that I can use with confidence which won't end up adding on these foreign fees to my purchases. It's been a tough search, but I know some do exist. MBNA (who just got bought off by BofA) used to have one, but they've started charging too.
Is anyone aware of any? |
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Mars Tecato Revisited
Joined: 15 Oct 2002 Posts: 1363 Location: mangled in blackhole
  
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Posted: 07 Dec 2005 10:22 AM Post subject: |
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| I've noticed that my bank does not charge me when I use my debit card in mex but what i have noticed is that if I use my Atm card to withdraw cash in Mex I get charged currency exchange fee. Not sure how it is different withdrawing is different than charging but it sucks. |
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elchrist See-thru Afro
Joined: 09 Oct 2002 Posts: 7670 Location: Calecia.com
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Posted: 07 Dec 2005 11:38 AM Post subject: |
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| Mars wrote: | | I've noticed that my bank does not charge me when I use my debit card in mex but what i have noticed is that if I use my Atm card to withdraw cash in Mex I get charged currency exchange fee. Not sure how it is different withdrawing is different than charging but it sucks. |
Is the "currency exchange fee" apart from the non-bank ATM fee?
The thing is that Visa, MasterCard, Amex, or whomever is the primary credit card company is, already does the currency exchange fee, but the issuing bank (Citi, Chase, MBNA, etc.) is the one charging the fee for doing absolutely nothing on their end. |
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berimbau Wal-Mart Associate
Joined: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 233
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Posted: 08 Dec 2005 10:05 AM Post subject: |
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| elchrist wrote: | | Mars wrote: | | I've noticed that my bank does not charge me when I use my debit card in mex but what i have noticed is that if I use my Atm card to withdraw cash in Mex I get charged currency exchange fee. Not sure how it is different withdrawing is different than charging but it sucks. |
Is the "currency exchange fee" apart from the non-bank ATM fee?
The thing is that Visa, MasterCard, Amex, or whomever is the primary credit card company is, already does the currency exchange fee, but the issuing bank (Citi, Chase, MBNA, etc.) is the one charging the fee for doing absolutely nothing on their end. |
Overall it seems paying with a CC is still cheaper than withdrawing cash abroad. Withdrawals are "riskier" for banks than charging because as soon as the cash is out, its gone; while charged items can be tracked and disputed directly with the debiting party, thus a 3% cash advance fee, plus the foreign exchange fee so that the bank does not loose to x-rate fluctuations while the transaction is being posted.
Debit/ATM Cards will have less or no withdrawal fees becasue that's your cash and your risk; so again they'll just hedge their xchange risk.
Anyhow, here is a link to a frequent travelers' forum with a grid on various cards and their foreign fees. Check out Pentagon Federal Credit Union Visa credit card, and Bank of Internet debit card. Both actually make you a net profit by using them. Bank of America Advantage Platinum will not charge fees with Santander Serfin (Mex) and certain other foreign banks. Bear in mind that this is information compiled from users and not an official bank site; you'd have to confirm any info with the issuing bank.
http://www.flyertalk.com/wiki/index.php/Credit/Debit/ATM_Cards_and_Foreign_Exchange
Exposed: Hidden fees on foreign credit card charges
By Lucy Lazarony • Bankrate.com (updated Jan 2005)
http://www.bankrate.com/yho/news/cc/20010416a.asp |
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elchrist See-thru Afro
Joined: 09 Oct 2002 Posts: 7670 Location: Calecia.com
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Posted: 08 Dec 2005 10:42 AM Post subject: |
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Thanks for the link to the Flyertalk Wiki page. Although it does seem as if it's a little bit outdated, it does provide quite a bit of useful information on one single page.
It makes a bit of sense as to why the issuing bank would also charge the foreign exchange fee due to "x-rate fluctuations," but every other site I've read on about the fee seems to refer to it as just a bogus addition.
"It's just 1 or 2 percent of greed, really,..."
http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/cc/20010416a.asp
"...many credit card issuers and banks are cashing in by adding up to a 2-percent charge on top of that 1 percent without doing a thing to earn it."
http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/cc/20050624a1.asp |
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elchrist See-thru Afro
Joined: 09 Oct 2002 Posts: 7670 Location: Calecia.com
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Posted: 12 Dec 2005 01:20 PM Post subject: |
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Just out of curiousity, do Mexicans with (Mexican bank issued) credit cards get charged a foreign charge when shopping in the US?
I assume they do, but just wanted to confirm. |
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JackintheBoxster Gots My GED
Joined: 05 Oct 2004 Posts: 118 Location: LA
   
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Posted: 16 Dec 2005 11:50 AM Post subject: CC |
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A perfect example of more American greed. We just can't get enough of it.
Consumers are the problem here for not causing an uprise in the credit card industry. Why don't you cash that free $15 check from your card issuer? Such generosity.
The real solution: Don't make a purchase you can't afford to pay off in within your "grace" period. |
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elchrist See-thru Afro
Joined: 09 Oct 2002 Posts: 7670 Location: Calecia.com
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Posted: 11 Dec 2007 03:01 PM Post subject: Currency Conversion Fee Antitrust Litigation |
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Did anyone recently receive a "U.S. District Court Approved Refund Notice" in the mail?
I did and it's for an easy $25 refund for any of the foreign currency conversion fees you may have incurred outside the US while using your debit/credit card.
I knew we were getting swindled by the banks and credit card companies.
I filled it out online. Clark Howard confirmed this is a legit refund. |
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spic-ole Coffee
Joined: 10 Oct 2002 Posts: 1657 Location: UC Calecia
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Posted: 11 Dec 2007 04:03 PM Post subject: Re: Currency Conversion Fee Antitrust Litigation |
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| elchrist wrote: | | Did anyone recently receive a "U.S. District Court Approved Refund Notice" in the mail? |
I got one. I thought about throwing it away instantly, but decided to hold on to it in case it might be real.
Good thing I did. I think I'll just opt for the $25. I'm sure I'll end up spending hours trying to figure out that I've only really lost about $25 dollars anyway. |
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