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spic-ole Coffee
Joined: 10 Oct 2002 Posts: 1657 Location: UC Calecia
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Posted: 18 Sep 2005 12:39 PM Post subject: |
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I think that anyone who has ever been a teacher, or who talks to one, on a daily basis, knows that the 35K starting is justified. The rhetoric is always the same. Work in an air conditioned room from 8 to 3, and then go home, as locoinclx has pointed out. However, what happens to all the lesson planning, paper grading, parent conferences, etc. that goes into being a teacher. Most of that stuff is never seen.
Teachers don't get little elf assistants that do all of this stuff for them. Most do it at home from 3 until whenever it takes. And yes, it is a salary job, and the work needs to get done no matter how long it gets takes, but how many of you go to work, come home, and sit in your home office for the next 2-6 hours working on the next day, every day? It's justified, it's fair, and no, not everybody does it, but it's ridiculous to try to punish all the teachers who do it, for the few that don't.
And let's be honest, 35K is not a lot. And if it seems like a lot, you need to stop and wonder where you made the mistakes in your life, and not waste your time complaining about somebody making more than you. For years, being a teacher has been considered one of the worst jobs to have because of the high stress, low pay, and little support, and that's for a reason. It's a job people go into because they want to, not to become millionares. Some may have fallen into it, but most people fall into their current jobs. Studies show that around 50 percent of people that graduate from college never work in the field of their degrees.
I agree that the teachers here in Calexico should get a raise, not because the student's performance is outstanding, however, if any of you backseat politicians took the time to look at the numbers, you would see that the improvement in performance has been quite good, but because the state has decided to give teachers a cost of living percentage raise that the district is not giving to its teachers.
I think the district should give it to them. The only way that's going to happen is with the support of the community. People need to sign petitions, call the district, and/or go to the district and request that teachers get the raise that they deserve.
spic-ole supports Calexico's teachers. The petition will be up tomorrow. |
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chuco boy Dishonorable Discharge
Joined: 05 Mar 2005 Posts: 369
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Posted: 18 Sep 2005 01:21 PM Post subject: Salary increase |
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School board members are elected by the residents. However they do have a budget and we are a poor school district that is dependent on outside funding. The question is.... Are the kid's quality-of-life programs going to be cut to satisfy the budget increase in teacher's? How about the other low paid employees(clerks,grounds crew, maintenance, etc)? Don't they need raises? I'm sure the school board members are sensitive to this but they have a budget. It's a "zero sum" game. If the teachers can find "fat" in this budget ,work with the school board and cut the waste.
Education is not lucrative and the board/administrators know they have many other qualified teachers on a waiting list for full time employment. Let's face it we are a poor community and the only way to resolve the issue is to increase the budget with more revenues or cut the fat out. |
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spic-ole Coffee
Joined: 10 Oct 2002 Posts: 1657 Location: UC Calecia
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Posted: 18 Sep 2005 01:38 PM Post subject: Re: Salary increase |
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| chuco boy wrote: | School board members are elected by the residents. However they do have a budget and we are a poor school district that is dependent on outside funding. The question is.... Are the kid's quality-of-life programs going to be cut to satisfy the budget increase in teacher's? How about the other low paid employees(clerks,grounds crew, maintenance, etc)? Don't they need raises? I'm sure the school board members are sensitive to this but they have a budget. It's a "zero sum" game. If the teachers can find "fat" in this budget ,work with the school board and cut the waste.
Education is not lucrative and the board/administrators know they have many other qualified teachers on a waiting list for full time employment. Let's face it we are a poor community and the only way to resolve the issue is to increase the budget with more revenues or cut the fat out. |
It shouldn't cut other programs. Districts tend to get money from other budgets they have to pay for these programs. Clerks, grounds crew, etc. are considered classified employees and have their own union. And yes, they should get a raise too.
We may be a poor community, but most of our district's money comes from the state, and because of that and many other factors, we are not a poor district. Someone should go to the district and request a copy of their budget. |
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bemisnorris Cole
Joined: 16 Oct 2002 Posts: 2096 Location: Not Here
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Posted: 18 Sep 2005 01:41 PM Post subject: |
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| spic-ole wrote: | I think that anyone who has ever been a teacher, or who talks to one, on a daily basis, knows that the 35K starting is justified. The rhetoric is always the same. Work in an air conditioned room from 8 to 3, and then go home, as locoinclx has pointed out. However, what happens to all the lesson planning, paper grading, parent conferences, etc. that goes into being a teacher. Most of that stuff is never seen.
Teachers don't get little elf assistants that do all of this stuff for them. |
Probation Officers have to put in a lot of extra hours due to paperwork, interviewing parolees, home checks, etc. You don't hear them bitching and threatening to go on strike (or asking for elves to ease their workload). And they're not at work for only seven hours, and they don't get a one hour prep period like teachers do.
| spic-ole wrote: | | I agree that the teachers here in Calexico should get a raise, not because the student's performance is outstanding |
I agree that teachers are overworked and underpaid, but they're not the only ones. The point I make is that if you're not happy with your job then find another one. Few people work at jobs that they both enjoy and make a really good living at. Some people accept jobs because it is the best paying job they can find, others accept jobs because it's near the city they decided to live in. Deal with the job you accepted or find another one. I work in an industry that is severly underpaid, but it's the best paying job available to me in the Valley, and (for reasons that will take too long to explain) it is simply more convenient for me to live in the Valley at this point in time. So what do I do? I do the job that I agreed to do, for the pay that I was told that I would get. If you teachers aren't happy with your pay, then you shouldn't have accepted the job offer when you knew exactly how much they were going to pay you. |
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verbal Cole
Joined: 24 Oct 2002 Posts: 2569 Location: C-Town
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Posted: 18 Sep 2005 01:54 PM Post subject: |
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| spic-ole wrote: | | verbal wrote: | | Oh, and that's for 4 hours per day. |
Somebody's still in the last century. Not anymore. It's now 6 hours. What's next? 8? |
Please, stop lying to people. Back in the day teachers used to work 8 to 12 M-F.
Now they work a little longer, but don't work Fridays. Plus, ask any teacher who works summer and ask if they really teach.
So that's 6 weeks = $3,000 bones for 4 days a week.
Could it get any better? |
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spic-ole Coffee
Joined: 10 Oct 2002 Posts: 1657 Location: UC Calecia
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Posted: 18 Sep 2005 06:58 PM Post subject: |
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| bemisnorris wrote: | | Probation Officers have to put in a lot of extra hours due to paperwork, interviewing parolees, home checks, etc. You don't hear them bitching and threatening to go on strike (or asking for elves to ease their workload). |
Probation officers do a very admirable job. I'm not going to deny that. But the issue here is teachers' pay. Teacher's contracts are supposed to guarantee them a certain percentage in a raise every year. When it comes time to negotiate this percentage, it has to be fair. Districts get a certain percent extra every year in order to pay for adjustments in cost of living. From my understanding, it seems as though, this particular district does not want to award it to their teachers. You may want to speak to an actual teacher to get these exact numbers.
| bemisnorris wrote: | | I agree that teachers are overworked and underpaid, but they're not the only ones. |
I couldn't agree with you more. But once again, the issue here is teachers, not all the others, and while I think we should try to do something about all the others out there being underpaid, this is not the thread to discuss it over.
| bemisnorris wrote: | | Deal with the job you accepted or find another one. |
I agree with you completely, again. I can't begin to tell you how happy I have been selling tacos for the past 6 years.
| bemisnorris wrote: | | I work in an industry that is severly underpaid, but it's the best paying job available to me in the Valley, and (for reasons that will take too long to explain) it is simply more convenient for me to live in the Valley at this point in time. So what do I do? I do the job that I agreed to do, for the pay that I was told that I would get. |
Again, great. But also, once again, not the thread for it. Maybe we should start up a "Give bemisnorris a raise" thread. |
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spic-ole Coffee
Joined: 10 Oct 2002 Posts: 1657 Location: UC Calecia
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Posted: 18 Sep 2005 07:07 PM Post subject: |
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| verbal wrote: | | spic-ole wrote: | | verbal wrote: | | Oh, and that's for 4 hours per day. |
Somebody's still in the last century. Not anymore. It's now 6 hours. What's next? 8? |
Please, stop lying to people. Back in the day teachers used to work 8 to 12 M-F.
Now they work a little longer, but don't work Fridays. Plus, ask any teacher who works summer and ask if they really teach.
So that's 6 weeks = $3,000 bones for 4 days a week.
Could it get any better? |
Yeah, that's not how it works. My friend is a teacher and it doesn't work that way anymore. Have you been anywhere near a school in the past 10 years? |
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bemisnorris Cole
Joined: 16 Oct 2002 Posts: 2096 Location: Not Here
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Posted: 18 Sep 2005 07:52 PM Post subject: |
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| bemisnorris wrote: | | Maybe we should start up a "Give bemisnorris a raise" thread. |
I'm not asking for a raise, but I'll gladly accept any charity anyone is willing to give. |
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verbal Cole
Joined: 24 Oct 2002 Posts: 2569 Location: C-Town
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Posted: 18 Sep 2005 08:43 PM Post subject: |
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| spic-ole wrote: | | Have you been anywhere near a school in the past 10 years? |
Actually, not too long ago, I drove past the teacher/staff parking lot. To my surprise I saw a Porche, Mercedes, BMW's, Suburbans, and other $ 35,000+ cars.
I guess teachers do need a raise. |
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Americano Coffee
Joined: 18 May 2003 Posts: 1640 Location: fair Verona
  
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Posted: 19 Sep 2005 05:38 AM Post subject: |
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| bemisnorris wrote: | | Americano wrote: | | Okay teacher start at an average of 35k a year, but that's for 10 months. The actual value is a lot less. |
How do you figure that the actual value is less? If your getting 35k a year and only work 10 months, then the value is actually close to $1200 more than someone who earns the same 35k working 12 months. I hate to be the one to tell you this but if you are a teacher, then you are a good example as to why teachers in the Valley aren't better paid. |
What do you mean by this? |
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