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Cole
Joined: 24 Oct 2002
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So let me get this straight a teacher with only a Bachelor's wants to make professional money.
Yeah lets compare a teacher's salary to that of a doctor or attorney.
Teacher = 4 years of school + certification. Most valley teachers obtained their B.A.'s at either a State U or a UC so total cost of education would run about 30k to 60k.
Starting salary = 35,000 or closer to 40k with credential and everything.
Attorney/Doctor = 4 years + 3 years of law school or 2 years med school plus internship. Total cost would be the same as a Valley teacher for the BA + 35k per year for graduate work. Grand total 130,000 dollars of education.
Average salary for a rook attorney is 45k.
Teachers work 182 days out of the year.
Teachers go get a Masters and/or doctorate and your pay will increase. |
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spic-ole
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Joined: 10 Oct 2002
Posts: 1654
Location: UC Calecia
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| verbal wrote: | | spic-ole wrote: | | realneo wrote: | | Fuck, we should all get a raise with cost of living now a days |
Cost of living is such a fake concept. |
You obviously have not lived outside the Valley. |
I was referring to the actual cost of living and what we, the average Joe, actually make. |
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spic-ole
Coffee
Joined: 10 Oct 2002
Posts: 1654
Location: UC Calecia
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| Posted: 17 Sep 2005 12:40 PM Post subject: |
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| verbal wrote: | Teachers work 182 days out of the year.
Teachers go get a Masters and/or doctorate and your pay will increase. |
I couldn't agree with you more. This has always been my stance on the issue. Anyone can get a Bachelor's degree. It's nothing special. So I don't think people should be trying to make 50 thousand a year just for having a bachelor's degree and a credential. About 40 sounds fine. Which is around where it would be with the cost of living adjusment.
I don't know the exact numbers, but if the state is giving the district 4 percent extra for teacher's salaries for cost of living, then the district should give that to them, and not try to offer them 2 percent (or whatever it is) and try to pocket the rest of it. I think that's what teachers are mad about. |
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451PC
Back in Calecia
Joined: 05 Apr 2005
Posts: 197
Location: Calexico
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| Posted: 17 Sep 2005 04:14 PM Post subject: |
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| As an instructor at the college level, I must attest that the job of a teacher implies alot of preparation. When you prep for a class there is reading to be done, and papers to be prepared as hand-outs and testing. Then you have to also score your tests and enter them into your records along with attendance. That leaves out the fact that you still have to deal with all the other bullshit such as problem students. I must say that if you teach the same subject every year then the job cant be less difficult because 80% of all the work has been taken care of during the previous year. I would like to know what the school administrators get paid. 120k? The leadership should lead by example, where there is a lack of leadership, people will die. Careers become non-important and stagnant with poor attitudes towards the job. Good luck to the teachers, they deserve a raise. |
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elchrist
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Joined: 09 Oct 2002
Posts: 7490
Location: Calecia.com
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| Posted: 17 Sep 2005 06:58 PM Post subject: |
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| spic-ole wrote: | | I don't know the exact numbers, but if the state is giving the district 4 percent extra for teacher's salaries for cost of living, then the district should give that to them, and not try to offer them 2 percent (or whatever it is) and try to pocket the rest of it. I think that's what teachers are mad about. |
UC Calecia professors get a 10% raise each year. |
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spic-ole
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Joined: 10 Oct 2002
Posts: 1654
Location: UC Calecia
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| Posted: 17 Sep 2005 08:52 PM Post subject: |
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| elchrist wrote: | | spic-ole wrote: | | I don't know the exact numbers, but if the state is giving the district 4 percent extra for teacher's salaries for cost of living, then the district should give that to them, and not try to offer them 2 percent (or whatever it is) and try to pocket the rest of it. I think that's what teachers are mad about. |
UC Calecia professors get a 10% raise each year. |
A 10% raise in discounts to the Calecia.com shop means nothing to me. I already have enough of those mouse pads. |
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Americano
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Joined: 18 May 2003
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Location: fair Verona
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| Okay teacher start at an average of 35k a year, but that's for 10 months. The actual value is a lot less. Also, they consider your credential as graduate units. |
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bemisnorris
Cole
Joined: 16 Oct 2002
Posts: 2081
Location: Not Here
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| Posted: 18 Sep 2005 11:31 AM Post subject: |
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| Americano wrote: | | Okay teacher start at an average of 35k a year, but that's for 10 months. The actual value is a lot less. |
How do you figure that the actual value is less? If your getting 35k a year and only work 10 months, then the value is actually close to $1200 more than someone who earns the same 35k working 12 months. I hate to be the one to tell you this but if you are a teacher, then you are a good example as to why teachers in the Valley aren't better paid. |
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verbal
Cole
Joined: 24 Oct 2002
Posts: 2474
Location: C-Town
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| Posted: 18 Sep 2005 11:56 AM Post subject: |
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Summer school
Teachers work 6 weeks = $3,000.
Oh, and that's for 4 hours per day. |
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spic-ole
Coffee
Joined: 10 Oct 2002
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Location: UC Calecia
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| Posted: 18 Sep 2005 12:17 PM Post subject: |
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| verbal wrote: | | Oh, and that's for 4 hours per day. |
Somebody's still in the last century. Not anymore. It's now 6 hours. What's next? 8? |
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