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spic-ole
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| carnicerodegiles wrote: | | JackintheBoxster wrote: | I don't care for Chicano Rap as a music genre and style, but do these "artists" try to reflect a positive message to its target audience? If so, what kind of progression is lyrically expressed to listeners?
Is there a Chicano rapper named Soy Educated or Dr. Brown? |
As I'm not a fan of Chicano rap myself, that same argument can be made with almost all types of music, even more so the mainstream MTV stuff. Does country music provide a positive message, and are the singers educated? I think not. |
The problem with Chicano Rap, most rap actually, is that it targets a selective portion of the population that already has issues, and glorifies the "thug life." A large portion of the people that listen to this type of music are highly susceptible to influence, and the last thing they need is to be told to view women as "hoes" and buy dubs for their Dodge Neons.
I somewhat agree that these rappers, if they are so Chicano, should attempt to influence social and economic progress. Chicanos were at one point activists who attempted to push progress right? I don't remember hearing about Cesar Chavez gang-banging. |
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carnicerodegiles
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| Posted: 27 Jun 2005 11:03 PM Post subject: |
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| spic-ole wrote: | The problem with Chicano Rap, most rap actually, is that it targets a selective portion of the population that already has issues, and glorifies the "thug life." A large portion of the people that listen to this type of music are highly susceptible to influence, and the last thing they need is to be told to view women as "hoes" and buy dubs for their Dodge Neons.
I somewhat agree that these rappers, if they are so Chicano, should attempt to influence social and economic progress. Chicanos were at one point activists who attempted to push progress right? I don't remember hearing about Cesar Chavez gang-banging. |
I agree with you on this. As I do think that progress should be emphasized with all groups of people, music isn't the cause of "non-progress". As I'm sure all of us are avid music listeners, I'm also sure that our record collections aren't constantly preaching to us about progressing and getting educated. If some of us did progress at some point, I'm sure it had nothing to do with the music we listened to.
My previous post was mostly directed at our Aryan comrade JackintheBoxster to let him know that more than likely his favorite music isn't performed by educated people or bringing out a motivational or positive message (and as a comeback to his unfounded and outdated theories about all the people that kicked his ass as a little kid).[/quote] |
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vago loko
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| Posted: 28 Jun 2005 09:56 AM Post subject: |
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| JackintheBoxster wrote: | I don't care for Chicano Rap as a music genre and style, but do these "artists" try to reflect a positive message to its target audience? If so, what kind of progression is lyrically expressed to listeners?
Is there a Chicano rapper named Soy Educated or Dr. Brown? |
He say's he doesn't care for chicano rap; however he's on a chicano rap forum! Proves my point. |
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spic-ole
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| Posted: 28 Jun 2005 09:57 AM Post subject: |
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| carnicerodegiles wrote: | | As I'm sure all of us are avid music listeners, I'm also sure that our record collections aren't constantly preaching to us about progressing and getting educated. |
True, but not all of the types of music that we listen use a word that at one point was associated with progress.
It shouldn't be called Chicano Rap, it should be called Latino Rap, or Hispanic Rap. |
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vago loko
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| Posted: 28 Jun 2005 10:11 AM Post subject: muzick |
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I heard a rock band talking about eating babies......
I heard sublime talking about how
"7-horny brothers and a drunk ass dad put his daughter on the streets"
"wanna shoot your dad?"
Ive' heard a lot.
However, I do not disagree with their music.....why?
These people are "ENTERTAINERS" they tell "STORIES".
Things like these might actually happen in real life, it doesnt make me want to eat a baby.
We are all adults and in controll of our lives, If a minor is influeced by music to shoot a school in a black trenchcoat, it is not the youngsters fault or the music it is adult neglegance. |
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JackintheBoxster
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| Posted: 28 Jun 2005 10:12 AM Post subject: |
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| vago loko wrote: | | JackintheBoxster wrote: | I don't care for Chicano Rap as a music genre and style, but do these "artists" try to reflect a positive message to its target audience? If so, what kind of progression is lyrically expressed to listeners?
Is there a Chicano rapper named Soy Educated or Dr. Brown? |
He say's he doesn't care for chicano rap; however he's on a chicano rap forum! Proves my point. |
Wrong!
I'm in a Music & Sound forum and in a Chicano Rap-related topic.
Music is not the problem, the problem is the image. |
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vago loko
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| Posted: 28 Jun 2005 10:14 AM Post subject: |
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| spic-ole wrote: | | carnicerodegiles wrote: | | As I'm sure all of us are avid music listeners, I'm also sure that our record collections aren't constantly preaching to us about progressing and getting educated. |
True, but not all of the types of music that we listen use a word that at one point was associated with progress.
It shouldn't be called Chicano Rap, it should be called Latino Rap, or Hispanic Rap. |
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vago loko
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| Posted: 28 Jun 2005 10:18 AM Post subject: x2 |
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| JackintheBoxster wrote: | | vago loko wrote: | | JackintheBoxster wrote: | I don't care for Chicano Rap as a music genre and style, but do these "artists" try to reflect a positive message to its target audience? If so, what kind of progression is lyrically expressed to listeners?
Is there a Chicano rapper named Soy Educated or Dr. Brown? |
He say's he doesn't care for chicano rap; however he's on a chicano rap forum! Proves my point. |
Wrong!
I'm in a Music & Sound forum and in a Chicano Rap-related topic.
Yeah, and of the othe music topics he chooses "chicano"
Proves my point one more time . Lets see how many times he proves me right. x2
Music is not the problem, the problem is the image. |
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vago loko
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| Posted: 28 Jun 2005 10:22 AM Post subject: |
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| vago loko wrote: | | spic-ole wrote: | | carnicerodegiles wrote: | | As I'm sure all of us are avid music listeners, I'm also sure that our record collections aren't constantly preaching to us about progressing and getting educated. |
True, but not all of the types of music that we listen use a word that at one point was associated with progress.
It shouldn't be called Chicano Rap, it should be called Latino Rap, or Hispanic Rap. |
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No, chicano rap is for a Chicano at heart. Not all latinos feel Chicano. |
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spic-ole
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| Posted: 28 Jun 2005 10:34 AM Post subject: |
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| vago loko wrote: | | spic-ole wrote: |
It shouldn't be called Chicano Rap, it should be called Latino Rap, or Hispanic Rap. |
No, chicano rap is for a Chicano at heart. Not all latinos feel Chicano. |
First question. What is a Chicano?
Second question. How is Chicano rap for a Chicano at heart? I've only heard a few Chicano Rap songs, and they're usually about gangs. I don't think true Chicanos listen to Chicano rap.
And referencing your comments about Sublime, and I don't know what other band you were referencing. They didn't identify themselves with a culture, or with a political ideal. |
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