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Mars
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So tell me who you are, so I can bring up some insignificant elementary school crap about you. |
"RJames I am your father!" |
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bemisnorris
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| Posted: 21 Jun 2004 07:01 PM Post subject: |
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| RJames wrote: | | So tell me who you are, so I can bring up some insignificant elementary school crap about you. |
Enough people on this board know who I am, and all the insignificant elementary school (and beyond) crap there is to know about me. |
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chainsmokinmonkey
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| bemisnorris wrote: | | RJames wrote: | | So tell me who you are, so I can bring up some insignificant elementary school crap about you. |
Enough people on this board know who I am, and all the insignificant elementary school (and beyond) crap there is to know about me. |
boy and is there insignificant elementary school crap to tell. like the time you.... and when you.... boy those were the days. |
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superplayer
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Ok back to the original point of the thread
Maybe some of you will disagree but this is a fact, not my opinion.
The "under god" comes from tradition, because this country was founded by very conservative christian people. It was freedom of religion one of the main reasons people came and formed the first colonies that later became the US; that was the mentality at that time, alhough things have changed lately.
No, the US wasn't created by a bunch of law assemblymen in Washington discussing issues like this. Far before the present-day capital and all its laws existed, there were the founders who had a strong Christian background.
Hence, the "under god" Even by the 1950s, this tradition was too strong for a group of forum members to discuss |
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revramrod
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| Posted: 22 Jun 2004 04:30 PM Post subject: |
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| superplayer wrote: | Ok back to the original point of the thread
Maybe some of you will disagree but this is a fact, not my opinion.
The "under god" comes from tradition, because this country was founded by very conservative christian people. It was freedom of religion one of the main reasons people came and formed the first colonies that later became the US; that was the mentality at that time, alhough things have changed lately.
No, the US wasn't created by a bunch of law assemblymen in Washington discussing issues like this. Far before the present-day capital and all its laws existed, there were the founders who had a strong Christian background.
Hence, the "under god" Even by the 1950s, this tradition was too strong for a group of forum members to discuss |
Dude, what are you talking about? The term "under God" was added to the Pledge of Allegiance during the height of the Red Scare to accentuate the United States' moral supremacy over the godless Communists. Nothing more, nothing less.
Ironically, if you guys actually took the time to research the history of the Pledge of Allegiance, which was written in the 1890s in honor of Columbus Day, you'd discover that the guy who wrote the pledge, Francis Bellamy, was himself a Socialist. Turning in his grave, indeed. |
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chainsmokinmonkey
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| Posted: 22 Jun 2004 07:39 PM Post subject: |
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| revramrod wrote: | | superplayer wrote: | Ok back to the original point of the thread
Maybe some of you will disagree but this is a fact, not my opinion.
The "under god" comes from tradition, because this country was founded by very conservative christian people. It was freedom of religion one of the main reasons people came and formed the first colonies that later became the US; that was the mentality at that time, alhough things have changed lately.
No, the US wasn't created by a bunch of law assemblymen in Washington discussing issues like this. Far before the present-day capital and all its laws existed, there were the founders who had a strong Christian background.
Hence, the "under god" Even by the 1950s, this tradition was too strong for a group of forum members to discuss |
Dude, what are you talking about? The term "under God" was added to the Pledge of Allegiance during the height of the Red Scare to accentuate the United States' moral supremacy over the godless Communists. Nothing more, nothing less.
Ironically, if you guys actually took the time to research the history of the Pledge of Allegiance, which was written in the 1890s in honor of Columbus Day, you'd discover that the guy who wrote the pledge, Francis Bellamy, was himself a Socialist. Turning in his grave, indeed. |
Even if it is "tradition," these past few years has shown that tradition doesn't mean anything anymore. Take a look at SDSU. The Aztec being used as a mascot has been around since the 1920's. Now it's socially unacceptable. Stanford University changed their mascot from being an indian to being a tree. Stanford's nickname I believe, was the Indians. Now it's Cardinal, as in the color. Even IVC has gotten into this socially unacceptable craze by changing the school mascot from Arabs to Vipers. The "under God" part of the Pledge of Allegiance has been socially unacceptable since it was put in. It's been against the law since it was put in. This phrase needs to be removed because of the constitution. With it there, we will never have freedom of religion because not all of us have the same God. Some of us don't even have a God, so why impose that on us? |
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Mars
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Seriously, why even trip on this issue, I mean since leaving public schools have any of you said the pledge, has it influenced your beliefs on God? The dad is an idiot for making such a big deal about this, I mean sure there is a valid argument behind this issue but seriously who gives a fuck. How many of you non-god believing people out there get all upset when you cash your check and put those crisp bills in you wallet because they have a reference to God! If you really want to protest the whole "God" thing y'all should give me your dolla bills and I'll burn them, I promise  |
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superplayer
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| Posted: 26 Jun 2004 09:18 PM Post subject: |
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Dude, what are you talking about? The term "under God" was added to the Pledge of Allegiance during the height of the Red Scare to accentuate the United States' moral supremacy over the godless Communists. Nothing more, nothing less.
Ironically, if you guys actually took the time to research the history of the Pledge of Allegiance, which was written in the 1890s in honor of Columbus Day, you'd discover that the guy who wrote the pledge, Francis Bellamy, was himself a Socialist. Turning in his grave, indeed. |
The simple fact that the "under god" was added at a certain time, earlier or later in history is just one of many facts of the tradition.
My point was, that this religious ideals in public schools are as old as the country itself. There is plenty of evidence of schools back to colonial times when they were based on a strong christian foundation. Maybe they didn't had the "under god" (which I don't know for sure) but they most probably had much more than that in a religiously context of course.
That was my point. I am not challenging the facts that things change over time and that the way of thinking is different. Ask me about the many emails I have received from SDSU with this stupid nonsense "Referendum" about the mascot. |
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chainsmokinmonkey
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| superplayer wrote: | | revramrod wrote: |
Dude, what are you talking about? The term "under God" was added to the Pledge of Allegiance during the height of the Red Scare to accentuate the United States' moral supremacy over the godless Communists. Nothing more, nothing less.
Ironically, if you guys actually took the time to research the history of the Pledge of Allegiance, which was written in the 1890s in honor of Columbus Day, you'd discover that the guy who wrote the pledge, Francis Bellamy, was himself a Socialist. Turning in his grave, indeed. |
The simple fact that the "under god" was added at a certain time, earlier or later in history is just one of many facts of the tradition.
My point was, that this religious ideals in public schools are as old as the country itself. There is plenty of evidence of schools back to colonial times when they were based on a strong christian foundation. Maybe they didn't had the "under god" (which I don't know for sure) but they most probably had much more than that in a religiously context of course.
That was my point. I am not challenging the facts that things change over time and that the way of thinking is different. Ask me about the many emails I have received from SDSU with this stupid nonsense "Referendum" about the mascot. |
So being that tradition should not be disrupted then I guess that should include slavery, right? It was traditional to use slaves to do errands around the house. Yeah, tradition rules  |
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superplayer
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It's a total different matter.
Even if it can be regarded as tradition, savery was abolished by force and force alone. And still it took years for the southern people to completely deal with it. The slaves went from being slaves to poor servants with miserable wages. There is a lot of controversy whether when they were in a better situation, before or after the civil war. After the war, they had to deal with the KKK, extreme oppression, and constant attacks from the ordinary white people. Not only after the 1960s did their situation gradually change, and still there's many white people in the south that will never forget the Civil War. |
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