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Cole
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 Posted: 08 Apr 2004 04:57 PM Post subject: Remember The Alamo |
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Pick a side, any side. Will this film portray the US History's version of this infamous event or the Mexican version?
I think the answer is pretty clear, but will you spend your hard earn US dollar to watch this film? Will this film anger, encourage, or in any way influence the American view/portrayal of their Mexican neighbor? How will Mexican-Americans, Chicanos, or Calecianos react to this film?
How should an American Teacher teach the events of the Alamo? How do you remember the Alamo as a kid? Did you root for Santa Ana or Davy Crockett and his funky bunch? When school districts approve new textbooks should they care about the truth(reality) in their textbooks books?
Will bemisnorris skip Passion for the Alamo? |
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revramrod
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This is definitely going to be a rental for me. I don't have enough interest in the film justify being locked up in a room full of Neanderthals for two hours.
On the subject of the Alamo itself, I lean more toward the Mexican Army. Not because I'm of Mexican descent, but simply because I have no sympathy for the Texas landowners/separatists responsible for this portion of American/Mexican history.
I know most American historians like to portray these Texans as romantic secessionists, but they were nothing more than usurpers and land thieves. In American history, emphasis is placed on how they stood their final ground at the Alamo, but very little effort is spent explaining their reasons for doing so.
The primary reason? The preservation of slavery, which Mexico had abolished a few decades earlier. Remember that next time somebody tells you to "Remember the Alamo." Another reason? Taxation. They didn't want to continue paying taxes to Mexico. Sound familiar? |
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revramrod
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While we're on the subject, most of the Texans who died at the Alamo (and in previous engagements) were Mexican nationals who were either brainwashed or coerced by the American who settled in Texas, or motivated by the same skewed desires as the Americans. I mention this solely because popular culture always represents the battle at the Alamo as Whites (Americans) vs. Browns (Mexicans.)
When you take away the feel-good tripe about the American spirit and the embellished tales about Davy Crockett, you quickly realize what really happened at the Alamo: a Mexican civil war, instigated by foreign interest (Central American, anyone?) |
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Cole
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The primary reason? The preservation of slavery, which Mexico had abolished a few decades earlier. Remember that next time somebody tells you to "Remember the Alamo." Another reason? Taxation. They didn't want to continue paying taxes to Mexico. Sound familiar? |
Like you said, "romantic secessionists". The way I see it most people really don't care about what really motivated the Sam Houston's and Davy Crockett's of the world, but that they got one over the Mexicans. Some will totally ignore the facts of such historical event and will say that what matters most is that these legends didn't give in. The last stand if you may. Die for what you believe in (slavery and not paying taxes).
You also brought up a solid point that many of the white patriots who fought at the Alamo were in fact Mexicans whose greed overwhelmed them. I wonder if this is actually going to be portrayed in the movie?
I still can't believe that America has pardon Ozzy for pissing on its beloved building. |
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Cole
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When you take away the feel-good tripe about the American spirit and the embellished tales about Davy Crockett, you quickly realize what really happened at the Alamo: a Mexican civil war, instigated by foreign interest (Central American, anyone?) |
It's the American way. Rosevelt Corollary anyone? |
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Americano
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| Posted: 09 Apr 2004 10:19 PM Post subject: |
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| I've been wanting to watch this movie just so that I can talk shit. This is simply a glorification of Americans and shows the Mexicans as savages. |
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chainsmokinmonkey
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| Ame-ricano wrote: | | I've been wanting to watch this movie just so that I can talk shit. This is simply a glorification of Americans and shows the Mexicans as savages. |
i just saw the movie, and mexicans were not portrayed as savages. they were portrayed as just about anyone else. they actually showed the "human" side of both parties. |
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Americano
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| Posted: 13 Apr 2004 07:51 AM Post subject: |
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| chainsmokinmonkey wrote: | | Ame-ricano wrote: | | I've been wanting to watch this movie just so that I can talk shit. This is simply a glorification of Americans and shows the Mexicans as savages. |
i just saw the movie, and mexicans were not portrayed as savages. they were portrayed as just about anyone else. they actually showed the "human" side of both parties. |
Does it show how the Americans conned their way into Texas and the Mexicans were simply fighting to recover what belonged to them?
I guess it doesn’t matter since this movie is on its way to being a bomb.
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bemisnorris
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| Posted: 13 Apr 2004 08:47 PM Post subject: Re: Remember The Alamo |
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| verbal wrote: | | Will bemisnorris skip Passion for the Alamo? |
I caught most of the movie (I missed the first 40 minutes or so) this weekend. It was ok, but I didn't see enough of the movie to make an honest critique.
One thing that most people seem to forget is that when the Americans accepted the Mexican land, part of the deal was that they renounce their American citizenship in return for the land...which is why the U.S. didn't send any help to The Alamo.
Also, when I was taking U.S.-Mexican Border History at SDSU a couple of years back, the instructor told us that historians have found new evidence that suggests that Davy Crockett might have escaped from The Alamo dressed as a woman, before the actual fighting started. |
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Mars
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I don't buy this movie just like I didn't buy Pearl Harbor. Come on they lost in both and I really did not want to find out how the movie would try to show some sort of "good thing" coming from it.
Pearl Harbor, I hated the commercial that showed Cuba Gooding Jr. with some gun firing at Jap planes as if he were a bad ass.
to avoid this i have not watched any previews to the Alamo |
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