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| Do you feel that illegal aliens deserve the same medical treatment that you do? |
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lagarrapata
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| This is a definite heated argument for those that deffend their side. I agree that we as society have to provide emergency medical care and stabilization of life threatening injuries and illnesses for these international travelers. I also agree that we should not make medical care in the USA a free for all or we would have a avalanche of sick people coming to us, through the propper channels people from undeserved countrys are able to obtain extraordinary care, that is through legal means. I work on the front lines of emegency care here in the border town of Calexico and you will not believe the amount of abuse that people entering the country illegaly place on the local resources. A trend that we identified was that of jumppig of the fence and laying down and playing injured, this was veryfied by the US border patrol cameras. By doing this sometimes whole families can circunvent the US department of homeland security, free ride away from the eyes of the border patrol by ambulance. Most of these patients as soon as they arrived at the medical facility would ask to make a phone call and call the coyote who would come to pick them up. making a free run into the USA. All in the mean while we are incurring the cost of this game played by the coyotes. Fair would be to fix life threatening illnesses and injuries and then transfer care to the country of origin. |
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revramrod
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Location: Calecia.com
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| lagarrapata wrote: | | Fair would be to fix life threatening illnesses and injuries and then transfer care to the country of origin. |
Absolutely. After all, we are discussing whether or not an illegal immigrant deserves medical attention, not whether or not the injury should grant them immunity. While I am sympathetic to people looking for a better life for themselves and their families, I say patch 'em up and ship 'em out. It isn't fair to the thousands of people who struggle for years to try and get into this country legally.
Now, here's my question: at exactly what point during this ambulance ride to the hospital is the line of communication broken with the Border Patrol?
Obviously you, or another paramedic (I'm assuming you're a paramedic from what you said), are aware that this person is an illegal immigrant, correct? The person who called for the ambulance, most likely a Border Patrol agent, is definitely aware that the person is an illegal immigrant. Wouldn't the Border Patrol send an agent to monitor the patient? Surely they are aware that this person is a flight risk. What about the hospital staff? |
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bemisnorris
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| Posted: 14 Mar 2004 04:35 PM Post subject: |
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| revramrod wrote: | Now, here's my question: at exactly what point during this ambulance ride to the hospital is the line of communication broken with the Border Patrol?
Obviously you, or another paramedic (I'm assuming you're a paramedic from what you said), are aware that this person is an illegal immigrant, correct? The person who called for the ambulance, most likely a Border Patrol agent, is definitely aware that the person is an illegal immigrant. Wouldn't the Border Patrol send an agent to monitor the patient? Surely they are aware that this person is a flight risk. What about the hospital staff? |
I've heard from Border Patrol agents that if they call an ambulance for an illegal alien, then the Border Patrol is billed for the medical treatment. |
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Americano
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| Posted: 14 Mar 2004 10:42 PM Post subject: |
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| bemisnorris wrote: | | revramrod wrote: | Now, here's my question: at exactly what point during this ambulance ride to the hospital is the line of communication broken with the Border Patrol?
Obviously you, or another paramedic (I'm assuming you're a paramedic from what you said), are aware that this person is an illegal immigrant, correct? The person who called for the ambulance, most likely a Border Patrol agent, is definitely aware that the person is an illegal immigrant. Wouldn't the Border Patrol send an agent to monitor the patient? Surely they are aware that this person is a flight risk. What about the hospital staff? |
I've heard from Border Patrol agents that if they call an ambulance for an illegal alien, then the Border Patrol is billed for the medical treatment. |
That is enough to keep some from calling an ambulance. I mean, that could affect how big their bonus is. |
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revramrod
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| Posted: 14 Mar 2004 10:53 PM Post subject: |
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| Ame-ricano wrote: | | bemisnorris wrote: | | revramrod wrote: | Now, here's my question: at exactly what point during this ambulance ride to the hospital is the line of communication broken with the Border Patrol?
Obviously you, or another paramedic (I'm assuming you're a paramedic from what you said), are aware that this person is an illegal immigrant, correct? The person who called for the ambulance, most likely a Border Patrol agent, is definitely aware that the person is an illegal immigrant. Wouldn't the Border Patrol send an agent to monitor the patient? Surely they are aware that this person is a flight risk. What about the hospital staff? |
I've heard from Border Patrol agents that if they call an ambulance for an illegal alien, then the Border Patrol is billed for the medical treatment. |
That is enough to keep some from calling an ambulance. I mean, that could affect how big their bonus is. |
I think the two of you need to go back and reread my question. |
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Americano
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| Posted: 14 Mar 2004 10:58 PM Post subject: |
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| revramrod wrote: | | Ame-ricano wrote: | | bemisnorris wrote: | | revramrod wrote: | Now, here's my question: at exactly what point during this ambulance ride to the hospital is the line of communication broken with the Border Patrol?
Obviously you, or another paramedic (I'm assuming you're a paramedic from what you said), are aware that this person is an illegal immigrant, correct? The person who called for the ambulance, most likely a Border Patrol agent, is definitely aware that the person is an illegal immigrant. Wouldn't the Border Patrol send an agent to monitor the patient? Surely they are aware that this person is a flight risk. What about the hospital staff? |
I've heard from Border Patrol agents that if they call an ambulance for an illegal alien, then the Border Patrol is billed for the medical treatment. |
That is enough to keep some from calling an ambulance. I mean, that could affect how big their bonus is. |
I think the two of you need to go back and reread my question. |
Hyy dude, I responding to bemis's post not yours so ease off foolio' |
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Americano
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| Posted: 14 Mar 2004 11:01 PM Post subject: |
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| Ame-ricano wrote: | | revramrod wrote: | | Ame-ricano wrote: | | bemisnorris wrote: | | revramrod wrote: | Now, here's my question: at exactly what point during this ambulance ride to the hospital is the line of communication broken with the Border Patrol?
Obviously you, or another paramedic (I'm assuming you're a paramedic from what you said), are aware that this person is an illegal immigrant, correct? The person who called for the ambulance, most likely a Border Patrol agent, is definitely aware that the person is an illegal immigrant. Wouldn't the Border Patrol send an agent to monitor the patient? Surely they are aware that this person is a flight risk. What about the hospital staff? |
I've heard from Border Patrol agents that if they call an ambulance for an illegal alien, then the Border Patrol is billed for the medical treatment. |
That is enough to keep some from calling an ambulance. I mean, that could affect how big their bonus is. |
I think the two of you need to go back and reread my question. |
Hey dude, I was responding to bemis's post not yours so ease off foolio' |
Fuck, I really fucked up that last post.
And no I'm not alpha, I'm drunk. |
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bemisnorris
Cole
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| Posted: 15 Mar 2004 01:16 PM Post subject: |
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| revramrod wrote: | | I think the two of you need to go back and reread my question. |
From what I've been told Border Patrol agents don't take illegal aliens who need hospital treatment into custody, in order to avoid being responsible for them, unless they believe that the illegal may be dangerous. I might have been misinformed, so if you're a Border Patrol agent, maybe you could shed some light onto this topic.*
*I hope this clears up any confusion you may have. |
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revramrod
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| Posted: 15 Mar 2004 02:04 PM Post subject: |
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| bemisnorris wrote: | | From what I've been told Border Patrol agents don't take illegal aliens who need hospital treatment into custody, in order to avoid being responsible for them, unless they believe that the illegal may be dangerous. |
Always with their loopholes and technicalities, I tell ya.
If this is true, then the Border Patrol are both incompetent and negligent. It's their job to take illegal aliens into custody. Period. Their duties are not negotiable.
If a Border Patrol agent come in contact with a person that is in this country illegally, then it is their obligation -- no matter how badly they want to hand it off -- to be responsible for them. Whether they are dangerous or not is irrelevant. |
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