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elchrist
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 Posted: 21 Jan 2004 04:16 PM Post subject: Father Barry Vinyard and Others Accused of Molestation |
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Vinyard accused of molestation in lawsuit
By DARREN SIMON, Staff Writer
Wednesday, January 21, 2004 2:42 PM PST
The Rev. Barry Vinyard, a former pastor of Our Lady of Guadalupe Catholic Church in Calexico and more recently part of the Imperial Valley Catholic Chaplaincy, has been named in a lawsuit against the Catholic Diocese of San Diego.
The lawsuit alleges Vinyard molested a youth between 1978 and 1979 while a priest at Our Lady of Guadalupe. The man who has brought the allegation is listed only as "John Doe."
Why is child molestation in religion, predominately Catholicism, appear to be as common as drug abuse, insider trading and corporate downsizing? Is this something that is not taking seriously in society these days?
I know people who used to praise this priest with a passion and would possibly still support him till the end. Although when someone is exposed as an atheist, the world crumbles beneath their feet. |
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mof
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A lot of it has to do with the fact that pedophiles seek out situations where they will have easy access to children. Priests have that. And history has shown that the Catholic church has for the most part, protected its priests from prosecution.
It's unfortunate for men who truly believe in their calling as priests. They are being bulked together with pedophiles and often unjusty accused of molestation.
It's sad all around. |
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elchrist
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| Posted: 21 Jan 2004 04:48 PM Post subject: |
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| mof wrote: | A lot of it has to do with the fact that pedophiles seek out situations where they will have easy access to children. Priests have that. And history has shown that the Catholic church has for the most part, protected its priests from prosecution.
It's unfortunate for men who truly believe in their calling as priests. They are being bulked together with pedophiles and often unjusty accused of molestation.
It's sad all around. |
So a pedophile seeks a safe haven (no pun intended) and therefore chooses the path of priesthood. I'm not very familiar with what is involved in achieving a position in this occupation, but I would assume that it takes several years of study and apprenticeship.
Now that's commitment!
It's unfair for the ones who are only truely committed to their faith, but it is the complete responsibility of the diocese and the religion's "executives" to detect and eliminate the problem before there are any victims.
It might be time for religion to adopt some of the best practices from the corporate world. Oh, wait... |
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bemisnorris
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| Posted: 21 Jan 2004 05:25 PM Post subject: |
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| elchrist wrote: | | mof wrote: | A lot of it has to do with the fact that pedophiles seek out situations where they will have easy access to children. Priests have that. And history has shown that the Catholic church has for the most part, protected its priests from prosecution.
It's unfortunate for men who truly believe in their calling as priests. They are being bulked together with pedophiles and often unjusty accused of molestation.
It's sad all around. |
So a pedophile seeks a safe haven (no pun intended) and therefore chooses the path of priesthood. I'm not very familiar with what is involved in achieving a position in this occupation, but I would assume that it takes several years of study and apprenticeship. |
Maybe, but someone can start by running youth groups and such. What mof said is very true, pedofiles do look for situations that give them access to kids; teaching, foster parenting, day care, etc. |
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mof
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| Posted: 21 Jan 2004 05:38 PM Post subject: |
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| elchrist wrote: | | mof wrote: | A lot of it has to do with the fact that pedophiles seek out situations where they will have easy access to children. Priests have that. And history has shown that the Catholic church has for the most part, protected its priests from prosecution.
It's unfortunate for men who truly believe in their calling as priests. They are being bulked together with pedophiles and often unjusty accused of molestation.
It's sad all around. |
So a pedophile seeks a safe haven (no pun intended) and therefore chooses the path of priesthood. I'm not very familiar with what is involved in achieving a position in this occupation, but I would assume that it takes several years of study and apprenticeship.
Now that's commitment!
It's unfair for the ones who are only truely committed to their faith, but it is the complete responsibility of the diocese and the religion's "executives" to detect and eliminate the problem before there are any victims.
It might be time for religion to adopt some of the best practices from the corporate world. Oh, wait... |
I suppose it depends what type of pedophile you're talking about. A sociopathic pedophile would undoubtedly commit to years of study if the ultimate end was easy access to children. But there probably aren't as many of those kinds of pedophiles as there are those who trying to escape their f ed up urges, repent if you will, by joining the priesthood. One could say their subconscious might also be urging them to join the priesthood, as opposed to seeking serious fucking therapy, because of the inevitability of the presence of children in most diocese. Some pedophiles might be trying to punish themselves by taking a vow of chastity only to be unable to keep it after many years.
And it's of course the Church's responsbility to weed this shit out, but let's be honest, that's not always possible. There is however, no excuse for finding out that a priest is a molestor and simply shipping him off to a different church. The higher ups deserved to pay out the ass in lawsuits for pulling that.
I guess the one bright light in all of this is that the church will be forced to actually enter the modern world where pedophilia, corruption and cover ups aren't every day occurences. Well that's not exactly true, huh? you know what i mean.  |
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| Posted: 21 Jan 2004 06:21 PM Post subject: |
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| Father Barry, was that the guy with the long hair? Or the bald guy? |
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| Don't you guys think that the whole fact that priest are not allowed to get married might have something to do with it. |
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mof
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| Ame-ricano wrote: | | Don't you guys think that the whole fact that priest are not allowed to get married might have something to do with it. |
well, no, not really. i think the problem is more about not allowing priests to have sex. the getting married thing is beside the point. and even if priests could get married, how would that weed out the pedophiles? lots of pedophiles are married, have kids, etc. It's not like priests are screwing little kids because they can't get married...
I personally think priests should be allowed to get married. It'll take their minds off of that perennial I Am Not Allowed to Have Sex promise and maybe turn their minds back to where it should be: helping their community, inspiring spirituality, contributing to society. |
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| mof wrote: | i think the problem is more about not allowing priests to have sex. the getting married thing is beside the point. and even if priests could get married, how would that weed out the pedophiles? lots of pedophiles are married, have kids, etc. It's not like priests are screwing little kids because they can't get married...
I personally think priests should be allowed to get married. |
Blame it on Pope Benedict VIII. He was the one who forbade priests marriage. It had nothing to do with keeping them "pure" either. He didn't want them to have offspring who might inherit a priest's wealth -- wealth that could have gone to the church, instead.
To address the prevalence of pedophilia in the Catholic Church: Many of these pedophiles actually turn to the priesthood as a deterrent; expecting to have their tendencies curbed through strict doctrine. But, as we all know, human nature, though temporarily redirected, is never truly bested, so these guys simply explode, for lack of a better term. |
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revramrod
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| mof wrote: | | But there probably aren't as many of those kinds of pedophiles as there are those who trying to escape their f ed up urges, repent if you will, by joining the priesthood. One could say their subconscious might also be urging them to join the priesthood, as opposed to seeking serious fucking therapy, because of the inevitability of the presence of children in most diocese. Some pedophiles might be trying to punish themselves by taking a vow of chastity only to be unable to keep it after many years. |
My point exactly.
| mof wrote: | | And it's of course the Church's responsbility to weed this shit out, but let's be honest, that's not always possible. |
Actually, it is possible. Potential priests undergo intense psychological scrutiny when they join the order.
Of course, the Church has always had a tendency to turn a blind eye to certain suspect behaviors. After all, if they could ignore the Third Reich, surely they can ignore a few pedophiles. |
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